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What's going on

Templates

I've created a couple of templates for editor use: Template:Stub and Template:Rewrite. Template:Stub is to be used on pages that are missing large amounts of important information - an example is Broom. Template:Rewrite is to be used on less severe cases of missing information, or on pages that merely need rewriting - an example is Alumina refiner. Sho 15:21, 24 Sep 2005 (EDT)

• Some changes have been made to the templates. From now on all editor templates will be listed on Help:Templates. Sho 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Admin

All the no-sysop baloney is solved; Sho is our sysop --Nick Roberts 04:03, 11 February 2007 (EST)

Language setup

Do you think maybe the different languages ought to have different wikis, instead of being on the same pages? --Nick Roberts 20:30, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)

• I agree. --Creepyguyinblack 04:50, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
• I changed it. --Jos Elkink 05:08, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
• Would it be possible to make a true multi-language setup, similar to Wikipedia's? I don't know what's involved in making that work (I have a suspicion that it's not feasile here), but it's kind of annoying when half of the time Special:Randompage brings up a Polish page; also crosslinking articles is rather inelegant with the current system (no framework; also there are some pages like Jeep(pl). Sho
• That would certainly be preferable... and was what I had in mind when originally making this suggestion. I don't like coming across polish articles when clicking on random page, or having search results clogged up with Polish links. --Nick Roberts 08:37, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)
• There is a new interwiki setup now. Every page have a collection of links at the top to the respective article in other languages (if they exist). All new pages should have this. How it works (example):

1. I want to add the page Sten (Swedish version of Stone).
2. Create the template: Template:InterwikiLink:Stone. Note that these templates are named in English.
3. In the template, write {{Interwiki|en=Stone|sv=Sten}}. I recommend a linebreak after each |. If you are aware of other language versions, add them too.
4. In the top of Sten and Stone add {{InterwikiLink:Stone}}.

Clicking on a random page now will always leave you with a link to whatever language you prefer, as long as this article has been written in that language. All articles must have an English version, if only a stub. --EchoMan 12:45, 12 February 2010 (GMT)

Agglomeration vs. subdivision

Some categories of items, such as tools, have all of their elements listed on the same page. Others, such as resources, have separate pages for everything. My gut instinct (as a Wikipedian) is to split everything into separate pages and use categories to tie them together (it makes it easier for people to just type what they're looking for in the search box), but I can see why we might want to keep things in big metapages - it's similar to the format found in IC guides, often the individual data aren't big enough for individual articles, and it would be loads of unrewarding data-entry grunt work. Anyone have any opinion? Sho

• The category system (tools) is so much clearer and easier to access the information you're looking for, so whilst I understand the Wikipedian urge to split everything, I think that the category system still provides easily accessible information. I cry a little on the inside when trying to find stuff on the seperate system (resources) - segregating the data, whilst easier to categorise and search, adds unnecessary pain in wading through links and editing pages. Kabl00ey 00:07, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
  • With proper use of categories, I think splitting makes things easier. In Firefox, I can use quicksearches to instantly pull up a page on anything that has its own page, without clicking on any links. I can't do that with a monolithic megapage. In the same way, it's easier to just punch the thing you're looking for into the search box - one click - with split pages. Categories can bring the pages back together anyway. Sho 00:35, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
    • I agree with Sho, the category system that was used for the resources worked great. I think a similar system should be used for machines, buildings, vehicles, tools, et al. --Nick Roberts 08:53, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)
      • I'm surprised the tool set-up has lasted so long, it was only a copy/paste from an ingame guide I'd made - it looks ugly here. I'd like a segregated set-up there, but not for clothing I don't think, as that'd be no more of a copy of the in-game set-up - I've started discussion on clothing about how I'd like to go about finishing that section.--Hallucinatingfarmer 18:13, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)
        • Yeah, everyone agrees with that HF. It just hasn't been gotten to yet. --Nick Roberts 13:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Resource Department disclosure

Long-standing question: Since the repeal of the "find out in game" rule (or FOIG), should the RD be allowed/required to release to the wiki all information that can be discovered in-game?

Since I expect some long-winded responses to this that won't fit in a nested list format (or maybe that's just me), please post responses as subsections. Sho 22:49, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Yes

The purpose of FOIG's repeal was to remove the effect of certain characters having advantages over other characters because their players knew more than other players. If we restrict RD's release of information that could be discovered IC, it's possible for that situation to arise again - a character gains an informational advantage because his player tried something, with a different character, that no player has posted on the wiki about. There are two solutions to this problem. One is to require that all players wiki any information they obtain in-game as soon as they get it. This is unenforceable and silly. The other is to have RD wiki all obtainable information to level the playing field in advance.

Another reason is, simply, efficiency. Generally those who oppose full disclosure argue that players should work to find obtainable data on their own. The problem is that obtainable data is often not at all easy to obtain. Some data, such as the amounts of resources certain animals drop when hunted, is precisely obtainable, but only if characters spend significant resources to discover them. Do we really need to have a situation where players have to use their characters and significant amounts of their own time to obtain information that could be retrieved in under a minute by RD staff?

There is also some precedent. Resource gathering rates are arguably something that realistically should not be displayed as explicitly as they are in-game; even more so the 20% deviation in output. Building capacity was freely released by RD (even vehicle capacities, which RD is refusing to release, is being witheld not because they should not be released in general, but because they will soon be outdated), even though it is an excellent example of obtainable data that would take colossal effort to discover in-game (to my knowledge no character or player had anything approaching precise values for building capacities before RD released them on the wiki).

Sho 22:42, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

• Strictly speaking RD did not release the building capacity infomation. Thses details where released by the Programming Department (ProgD). A bug was discovered which effectively disabled the maximum number of persons . Since correction of this bug generated a number of support queries , ProgD felt that publishing this information would help explain what seemed to be changes in room capacities. --Chris Johnson 05:20, 12 Oct 2005 (EDT)

Disambiguation for tools

There are many cases where projects require either or two tools, such as projects that require a hammer or a stone hammer (but display the requirement as "hammer"). How will we treat these here? I can think of two options:

1. We could replace every instance of "hammer" in a project requirements list with "hammer or stone hammer."
2. We could use a special page for those. For example, create the page Hammer (requirement) to explain how the hammer requirement works. If we go with this, the way in which we name these pages (and what we put on them) is up for discussion.

What ideas do people have? Sho 23:35, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

For instance, iron or bronze anvil... they both enable the same sort of projects. Perhaps we should have one consolidated anvil page, with info about both? Same would go for knives and hammers. Thoughts? --Nick Roberts 05:20, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)

I've gone ahead and dropped in a system that uses templates. When a project requires either of two tools, like a hammer or stone hammer, you use the template in place of the tool name - in this case, {{hammer}}. Sho 18:18, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)

Machinery format change

Yesterday I added some coin data to Coin press. I used a different format for this, using a table. I think this could be extended to the other machinery project listings, making them much more compact. Comments? I can make a sample page if anyone wants to see it. Sho 18:26, 6 Dec 2005 (EST)

Spam problem

Here - [1] and here - [2] is some solutions listed. Admin, please make use of these concepts :) - Wojd

• Well, who do you mean by "admin"? Kabl00ey is the official sysop-moderator, but I've e-mailed him to ban the spammer and he hasn't responded. Jos is the only person who can change fundamental wiki setup, but he doesn't like to get involved with the wiki. I'm the most active and knowledgeable wiki editor, but I have no power to actually do anything other than edit pages and e-mail important people - in any case, none of what you've linked us to here is new to me. Oh, and please sign your comments. Sho 02:03, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
  • I think, we should use general solutions - this is better than individual bans. I'm quite new in Cantr and in Wiki and I don't know many things yet but it's obvious that Cantr staff need help - and I'll try to help a bit ;) WojD 04:50, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
    • My point is that the only people who can implement these general solutions (most of which, incidentally, would not work here - individual bans placed by active sysops really are the best solution) are not active on the wiki. The issue is not that the staff need help but that the staff either don't care or aren't around. I can't do anything, and neither can you, and talking isn't going to change anything. Sho 17:56, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
      • I'm not very new to Cantr or how the wiki works but I don't compare to Sho. Talking about changes isn't a bad thing, they have to start somewhere. Is there anyone active in the wiki who can make changes? Or atleast get Jos' attention. :) Though I guess that would be you Sho. User:Joshuamonkey
        • As I said, Kabl00ey and Jos are the only people with sysop powers, and Jos doesn't want to have anything to do with the wiki. We had a hard enough time getting Jos to make Kabl00ey a sysop. In any case, there are no server-level or sysop-level changes that will do much to stop spam here, short of giving sysop powers to multiple active editors.Sho 00:16, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
          • I've recently spoken to Kabl00ey about his inactivity, which he's explained. He hopes to be active again as soon as he can. Hopefully there's nothing too urgent?--Hallucinatingfarmer 14:19, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
            • Main spam attacks were resolved a good few months ago - New minor spamming (single lines of random numbers by unlogged in users) started 2 weeks ago after Wiki S/W was upgraded to newest version . New version has different user access defaults to our old version so new configuration required - this has now been done - No editting possible unless 1) Logged in User and 2) Have a validated email address - The other anti-spam measures still work --Chris Johnson 09:32, 30 June 2006 (EDT)

Images?

I would be willing to make graphics (mainly for clothing), if I'm allowed to use my own styles and skills instead of being forced to study something new for unity's sake. So far no one else has been wanting to make images of clothing, so I doubt I'll be stepping on anyone's toes here. If someone can do it better then sure they can be replaced later on, but I won't even start if people are planning to start removing them just because they're not perfectly photorealistic. I'll do my best, take it or leave it. Examples of current style found here, though in the future I'd be using more colours and less black outlines to make them more natural. --Seko 10:09, 5 August 2006 (EDT)

7 Day Rollback on 2nd August 2007

Because of a database corruption issue , we rolled back the Wiki today to its state as of 25th August 2007 01:00 (EDT). Automatic updates showing database changes have been re-entered. The following is a dump of Recent Changes taken before the rollback - These specific changes (other than Automatic ones) will have been lost and may require new edits. Also please note the Wiki relays heavily on local client internet caches so please clear your caches when loading pages which could have changed below (Shift F5 - or page reload button) to see the correct state, This issue will pass over time and will only effect people who viewed one of the pages mentioned below in the past week. --Chris Johnson 07:04, 2 August 2007 (EDT)

Table of changes rolled back

  ! 21:05 Eksykator (diff; hist) . . Ilox (Talk | contribs | block) (Zmiana ilosci potrzebnych surowców (szklo okienne) z 200g na 800g)
  ! 13:11 Main Page (diff; hist) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block)
 m! 12:58 Buffalo (diff; hist) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block) (Reverted edits by Doug R (Talk); changed back to last version by Sho)
    12:52 (Deletion log) [Chris Johnson (2×)]
           12:52 (cur; last) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block) (deleted "Template:If": If template corrupted)
           12:18 (cur; last) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block) (deleted "Template:Trowel": Removal and recreation of template)
  ! 12:44 Template:Infobox:Manufacture (2 changes; Page history) [Chris Johnson (2×)]
        m! 12:44 (cur; last) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block)
         ! 12:44 (cur; last) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block) (Temp test of fix for broken if )
  ! 12:28 Oven (2 changes; Page history) [Chris Johnson (2×)]
        m! 12:28 (cur; last) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block) (rollback)
        m! 12:28 (cur; last) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block) (test removal)
N ! 12:19 Template:Trowel (diff; hist) . . Chris Johnson (Talk | contribs | block) (Recreation)
  ! 06:33 Skateboard (diff; hist) . . Ceselb (Talk | contribs | block)
  ! 05:53 Amphora (diff; hist) . . Ceselb (Talk | contribs | block)

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  ! 00:26 User:Czneddie (2 changes; Page history) [Czneddie (2×)]
         ! 00:26 (cur; last) . . Czneddie (Talk | contribs | block)
         ! 00:24 (cur; last) . . Czneddie (Talk | contribs | block)
29 July 2007
 m! 14:36 Cheese press (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block)
28 July 2007
 m! 22:26 Sweter z dekoltem w serek (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (?Opis)
  ! 22:24 Ubrania (2 changes; Page history) [Keisha (2×)]
        m! 22:24 (cur; last) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (?Buty)
         ! 20:13 (cur; last) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (?Pasy)
N ! 22:23 Meskie buty do garnituru (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Meskie buty do garnituru moved to  Eleganckie buty: inna nazwa w grze)
 m! 22:23 Eleganckie buty (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Meskie buty do garnituru moved to Eleganckie buty: inna nazwa w grze)
  ! 22:07 Przechowywanie (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 22:05 Puchar (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Puchar moved to Czara: inna nazwa w grze)
 m! 22:05 Czara (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Puchar moved to Czara: inna nazwa w grze)
N ! 22:04 Kufel gliniany (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Kufel gliniany moved to Kubek gliniany: inna  nazwa w grze)
 m! 22:04 Kubek gliniany (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Kufel gliniany moved to Kubek gliniany: inna nazwa w grze)
N ! 22:04 Kufel drewniany rzezbiony (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Kufel drewniany rzezbiony moved to Kubek drewniany rzezbiony: inna nazwa w grze)
 m! 22:04 Kubek drewniany rzezbiony (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Kufel drewniany rzezbiony moved to  Kubek drewniany rzezbiony: inna nazwa w grze)
N ! 21:50 Koc welniany (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 21:42 Loze z piór (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Loze z piór moved to Lózko z pierza: inna nazwa w  grze)
 m! 21:42 Lózko z pierza (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Loze z piór moved to Lózko z pierza: inna nazwa w grze)
  ! 21:41 Meble (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 21:37 Lózko (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Lózko moved to Loze: inna nazwa w grze)
 m! 21:37 Loze (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Lózko moved to Loze: inna nazwa w grze)
N ! 21:37 Lózeczko (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Lózeczko moved to Lózko polowe: inna nazwa w grze)
 m! 21:37 Lózko polowe (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Lózeczko moved to Lózko polowe: inna nazwa w grze)
  ! 20:30 User:Czneddie (diff; hist) . . Czneddie (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 20:13 Pasek ze sznura (diff; hist) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Pasek ze sznura moved to Sznur do przepasania: nazwa w grze)
  ! 20:13 Sznur do przepasania (2 changes; Page history) [Keisha (2×)]
        m! 20:13 (cur; last) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block) (Pasek ze sznura moved to Sznur do przepasania: nazwa w  grze)
        m! 20:12 (cur; last) . . Keisha (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 00:25 Wort (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 00:24 Malt (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block)
  ! 00:22 Barley (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (Added Malt)
N ! 00:20 Cider (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block)
27 July 2007
N ! 23:57 Apple juice (2 changes; Page history) [Mongrel (2×)]
         ! 23:57 (cur; last) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block)
       N ! 23:56 (cur; last) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (Initial)
  ! 23:54 Apples (2 changes; Page history) [Mongrel (2×)]
        m! 23:54 (cur; last) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block)
         ! 23:53 (cur; last) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (Addedd apple juice link)
N ! 23:34 Wine (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (Initial Page)
N ! 23:30 Grape juice (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (Initial submission)
  ! 23:23 Grapes (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (Added mention of grape juice.)
  ! 20:52 Cheese press (2 changes; Page history) [Mongrel (2×)]
         ! 20:52 (cur; last) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (?Projects - Added Apple and Malt)
         ! 20:48 (cur; last) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (?Projects - Added Crushing Grapes)
  ! 20:45 Wooden bucket (diff; hist) . . Mongrel (Talk | contribs | block) (Malting Barley added)
  ! 13:37 Recent database changes - Animals (2 changes; Page history) [CantrBot (2×)]
         ! 13:37 (cur; last) . . CantrBot (Talk | contribs | block) (Automatic update 1 new item and 0 changed items)
         ! 05:30 (cur; last) . . CantrBot (Talk | contribs | block) (Automatic update 4 new items and 1 changed item)
  ! 07:35 Map graphic (8 changes; Page history) [Stormoffires (8×)]
         ! 07:35 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block) (?Legend)
         ! 07:34 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block) (?Legend)
         ! 07:33 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block) (?Legend)
         ! 07:31 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block) (?Legend)
         ! 07:28 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block) (?Legend)
         ! 07:27 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block)
         ! 07:27 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block) (?Legend)
         ! 07:26 (cur; last) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 07:32 Image:Map2kk4.jpg (diff; hist) . . Stormoffires (Talk | contribs | block) (Compass and map)
26 July 2007
  ! 05:30 Recent database changes - Animals (diff; hist) . . CantrBot (Talk | contribs | block) (Automatic update 0 new items  and 1 changed item)
25 July 2007
  ! 16:12 Przewodnik po interfejsie (diff; hist) . . 45000 (Talk | contribs | block) (?Strona Obiektów)
N ! 16:09 Plains (2 changes; Page history) [Doug R (2×)]
         ! 16:09 (cur; last) . . Doug R (Talk | contribs | block)
       N ! 16:06 (cur; last) . . Doug R (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 16:08 Grassland (diff; hist) . . Doug R (Talk | contribs | block)
    16:00 Buffalo (3 changes; Page history) [Doug R (3×)]
           16:00 (cur; last) . . Doug R (Talk | contribs | block) (?Description)
           15:41 (cur; last) . . Doug R (Talk | contribs | block)
           15:37 (cur; last) . . Doug R (Talk | contribs | block)
N ! 15:59 Image:American Bison.jpg (diff; hist) . . Doug R (Talk | contribs | block) (Taken from the Wikimedia Commons. See  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bull_Buffalo_-_

Tasks

Admin tasks

Pages for Deletion

Listed on Category:Delete

User tasks

"Stamp of Approval"

It's not clear how much of the stuff here is data from Programming or Resources Department people (and therefore probably complete and correct) and how much is contributions from players like me (and therefore likely to need verification). For example, I'm not sure how much to trust the data on the ability of certain boat types to dock to each other; I feel that it looks like some types were left out, but I can't be sure. Some way of, say, putting a stamp of approval on information would be excellent. Sho

• A good idea would be to add notes into the discussion pages stating the information added and from what department. Personally, I've added the information for vehicles and animals, and so should be 99.9% accurate. --Anthony Roberts 22:59, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)
  • The information I added to a bunch of tools and weapons is 100% accurate. :D All from IC. Joshuamonkey 00:00, 12 Feb 2006 (EST)

Pages needing breakdown

• Tools must be broken up into separate Category:Tools articles. (- This has been done ages ago.)

Types of Land

I noticed that there needs to be pages for the different types of lands. What category would I put them under? It could possibly be put in way similar to the roads page. Also, would I be able to use images from in game as examples?Joshuamonkey 23:15, 18 November 2007 (EST)

I can do this. It might be necessary to create redirect pages for different names that people might try. I'm thinking of calling it Terrain types. --Seko 00:41, 27 September 2009 (IST)

More info on how things are produced

I think it would be good if the production chain for resources like string or iron, or items consisting of components was displayed on the relevant page so that people wouldn't have to visit pages of several machines or parts to collect data. When calculating daily rates for dating I generally find it necessary to visit several pages when the information would be quite relevant on the page of the final product. Does anyone have any good arguments as for why this should not be done?

--Seko 00:23, 27 September 2009 (IST)

Language specific templates

Some spanish pages use the Inc1, :Inc2 and :Inc3 templates, this results in "language pollution" of Category:Easy_unknowns, Category:Medium unknowns, Category:Hard unknowns and Category:Incomplete.
Since I don't know spanish, someone else will have to atleast make the spanish templates. Ceselb 10:02, 9 February 2007 (EST)