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| | + | === Conforming templates and page design (discussion) === |
| | + | There is an ongoing discussion here: [[Discussion:Conforming templates and page design]]. --[[User:EchoMan|EchoMan]] 11:27, 15 February 2013 (GMT) |
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| − | ===Templates=== | + | === Images in infoboxes === |
| − | I've created a couple of templates for editor use: [[Template:Stub]] and [[Template:Rewrite]]. [[Template:Stub]] is to be used on pages that are missing large amounts of important information - an example is [[Broom]]. [[Template:Rewrite]] is to be used on less severe cases of missing information, or on pages that merely need rewriting - an example is [[Alumina refiner]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 15:21, 24 Sep 2005 (EDT)
| + | If a picture is displayed too large in any of the new Infoboxes, that can be solved by using the new parameter "resize". Look at the documentation for details. I do not know where should I put this message. Sorry if it shouldn't go here.--[[User:Altotn|AltoTN]] 05:47, 13 December 2010 (GMT) |
| − | *Some changes have been made to the templates. From now on all editor templates will be listed on [[Help:Templates]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ===Weapons category===
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| − | I've just filled in the entire weapons category from info found IC. Please feel free to check it out, spell check, format etc. Just make sure it's consistent as all the pages now have consistent IC info.
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| − | [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 04:37, 4 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | *We should decide on a template for weapons, among other things. I'm thinking of listing the requirements the same way on pretty much every object type. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 06:33, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | **All for it. Go ahead and format a weapon, and if it's good we'll slap the format onto all the weapons and tools. The requirements section should be the same for both, and other properties (weight, visibility) are similar - just that tools should have a "uses" section where weapons have "effectiveness." [[User:Sho|Sho]] 09:00, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ***Once again we come to the "what's the appropriate format" debate. The weapons category right now just reflects the IC information, and is displayed similarly. The only exception to this is the latter weapons (I started from the end, I have no idea why) where I've been formating for clarity, adding images and OOC info. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 19:34, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ===Machinery===
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| − | [[:Category:Machinery]] is finally done. Many pages are lacking information, though. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | === Admin ===
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| − | To be sure: [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is now a full admin on the Wiki, so contact him for any admin interference that is needed. As stated before, most of the moderation of the Wiki will be left to the players at large and will depend on self-organisation, but where admin privileges are needed, or where there are serious conflicts that do not seem to get resolved, [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is in charge. He, in turn, has to follow Communications Department / general game administration policy and should create a thread in the CD forum in case of doubt.
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| − | --[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 07:44, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | There have been several cases of images being uploaded or links made to external images in the Wiki. Users should take care that images so used are either explicitly in the public domain, copy-free or that the copyright holder has given permission for their use. Current usage is non-malicious, non-profit , for illustrative purposes only and credits the source of the image but these in themselves are not necessarily “fair usage”. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 15:01, 25 Nov 2005 (EST)
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| − | A good example of how to reference and link to copyrighted material including images is the entry for [[Atlatl]], here text describing the item has a reference and there is a link to an external site for those who wish to view images of an Atlatl. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 06:42, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)
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| − | == Discussion ==
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| − | === Language setup ===
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| − | Do you think maybe the different languages ought to have different wikis, instead of being on the same pages? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 20:30, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)
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| − | *I agree. --[[User:Creepyguyinblack|Creepyguyinblack]] 04:50, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
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| − | *I changed it. --[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 05:08, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
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| − | *Would it be possible to make a true multi-language setup, similar to Wikipedia's? I don't know what's involved in making that work (I have a suspicion that it's not feasile here), but it's kind of annoying when half of the time [[Special:Randompage]] brings up a Polish page; also crosslinking articles is rather inelegant with the current system (no framework; also there are some pages like [[Jeep(pl)]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]]
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| − | *That would certainly be preferable... and was what I had in mind when originally making this suggestion. I don't like coming across polish articles when clicking on random page, or having search results clogged up with Polish links. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:37, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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| − | === Agglomeration vs. subdivision ===
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| − | Some categories of items, such as [[tools]], have all of their elements listed on the same page. Others, such as [[resources]], have separate pages for everything. My gut instinct (as a Wikipedian) is to split everything into separate pages and use categories to tie them together (it makes it easier for people to just type what they're looking for in the search box), but I can see why we might want to keep things in big metapages - it's similar to the format found in IC guides, often the individual data aren't big enough for individual articles, and it would be loads of unrewarding data-entry grunt work. Anyone have any opinion? [[User:Sho|Sho]]
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| − | * The category system ([[tools]]) is so much clearer and easier to access the information you're looking for, so whilst I understand the Wikipedian urge to split everything, I think that the category system still provides easily accessible information. I cry a little on the inside when trying to find stuff on the seperate system ([[resources]]) - segregating the data, whilst easier to categorise and search, adds unnecessary pain in wading through links and editing pages. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 00:07, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ** With proper use of categories, I think splitting makes things easier. In Firefox, I can use quicksearches to instantly pull up a page on anything that has its own page, without clicking on any links. I can't do that with a monolithic megapage. In the same way, it's easier to just punch the thing you're looking for into the search box - one click - with split pages. Categories can bring the pages back together anyway. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:35, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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| − | *** I agree with Sho, the category system that was used for the resources worked great. I think a similar system should be used for machines, buildings, vehicles, tools, et al. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:53, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ****I'm surprised the tool set-up has lasted so long, it was only a copy/paste from an ingame guide I'd made - it looks ugly here. I'd like a segregated set-up there, but not for clothing I don't think, as that'd be no more of a copy of the in-game set-up - I've started discussion on clothing about how I'd like to go about finishing that section.--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 18:13, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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| − | *****Yeah, everyone agrees with that HF. It just hasn't been gotten to yet. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 13:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ===Resource Department disclosure===
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| − | Long-standing question: Since the repeal of the "find out in game" rule (or FOIG), should the RD be allowed/required to release to the wiki all information that can be discovered in-game?
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| − | Since I expect some long-winded responses to this that won't fit in a nested list format (or maybe that's just me), please post responses as subsections. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:49, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ====Yes====
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| − | The purpose of FOIG's repeal was to remove the effect of certain characters having advantages over other characters because their players knew more than other players. If we restrict RD's release of information that could be discovered IC, it's possible for that situation to arise again - a character gains an informational advantage because his player tried something, with a different character, that no player has posted on the wiki about. There are two solutions to this problem. One is to require that all players wiki any information they obtain in-game as soon as they get it. This is unenforceable and silly. The other is to have RD wiki all obtainable information to level the playing field in advance.
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| − | Another reason is, simply, efficiency. Generally those who oppose full disclosure argue that players should work to find obtainable data on their own. The problem is that obtainable data is often not at all easy to obtain. Some data, such as the amounts of resources certain animals drop when hunted, is precisely obtainable, but only if characters spend significant resources to discover them. Do we really need to have a situation where players have to use their characters and significant amounts of their own time to obtain information that could be retrieved in under a minute by RD staff?
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| − | There is also some precedent. Resource gathering rates are arguably something that realistically should not be displayed as explicitly as they are in-game; even more so the 20% deviation in output. Building capacity was freely released by RD (even vehicle capacities, which RD is refusing to release, is being witheld not because they should not be released in general, but because they will soon be outdated), even though it is an excellent example of obtainable data that would take colossal effort to discover in-game (to my knowledge no character or player had anything approaching precise values for building capacities before RD released them on the wiki).
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| − | [[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:42, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | *Strictly speaking RD did not release the building capacity infomation. Thses details where released by the Programming Department (ProgD). A bug was discovered which effectively disabled the maximum number of persons . Since correction of this bug generated a number of support queries , ProgD felt that publishing this information would help explain what seemed to be changes in room capacities. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 05:20, 12 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | ===Disambiguation for tools===
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| − | There are many cases where projects require either or two tools, such as projects that require a [[hammer]] or a [[stone hammer]] (but display the requirement as "[[hammer]]"). How will we treat these here? I can think of two options:
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| − | #We could replace every instance of "[[hammer]]" in a project requirements list with "[[hammer]] or [[stone hammer]]."
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| − | #We could use a special page for those. For example, create the page [[Hammer (requirement)]] to explain how the hammer requirement works. If we go with this, the way in which we name these pages (and what we put on them) is up for discussion.
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| − | What ideas do people have? [[User:Sho|Sho]] 23:35, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | For instance, iron or [[bronze anvil]]... they both enable the same sort of projects. Perhaps we should have one consolidated anvil page, with info about both? Same would go for knives and hammers. Thoughts? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 05:20, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)
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| − | I've gone ahead and dropped in a system that uses templates. When a project requires either of two tools, like a hammer or stone hammer, you use the template in place of the tool name - in this case, <nowiki>{{hammer}}</nowiki>. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:18, 25 Dec 2005 (EST) | |
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| − | ===Machinery format change===
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| − | Yesterday I added some coin data to [[Coin press]]. I used a different format for this, using a table. I think this could be extended to the other machinery project listings, making them much more compact. Comments? I can make a sample page if anyone wants to see it. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:26, 6 Dec 2005 (EST)
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| − | === Spam problem ===
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| − | Here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features] and here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti_Spam] is some solutions listed. Admin, please make use of these concepts :) - [[User:Wojd|Wojd]]
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| − | *Well, who do you mean by "admin"? [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is the official sysop-moderator, but I've e-mailed him to ban the spammer and he hasn't responded. Jos is the only person who can change fundamental wiki setup, but he doesn't like to get involved with the wiki. I'm the most active and knowledgeable wiki editor, but I have no power to actually do anything other than edit pages and e-mail important people - in any case, none of what you've linked us to here is new to me. Oh, and please sign your comments. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 02:03, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
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| − | **I think, we should use general solutions - this is better than individual bans. I'm quite new in Cantr and in Wiki and I don't know many things yet but it's obvious that Cantr staff need help - and I'll try to help a bit ;) [[User:Wojd|WojD]] 04:50, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
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| − | ***My point is that the only people who can implement these general solutions (most of which, incidentally, would not work here - individual bans placed by active sysops really are the best solution) are not active on the wiki. The issue is not that the staff need help but that the staff either don't care or aren't around. I can't do anything, and neither can you, and talking isn't going to change anything. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 17:56, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
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| − | === Admin tasks ===
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| − | ==== Pages for Deletion ====
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| − | ==== "Stamp of Approval" ==== | + | ====Types of Land==== |
| − | It's not clear how much of the stuff here is data from Programming or Resources Department people (and therefore probably complete and correct) and how much is contributions from players like me (and therefore likely to need verification). For example, I'm not sure how much to trust the data on the ability of certain boat types to dock to each other; I feel that it looks like some types were left out, but I can't be sure. Some way of, say, putting a stamp of approval on information would be excellent. [[User:Sho|Sho]] | + | I noticed that there needs to be pages for the different types of lands. What category would I put them under? It could possibly be put in way similar to the [[roads]] page. Also, would I be able to use images from in game as examples?[[User:Joshuamonkey|Joshuamonkey]] 23:15, 18 November 2007 (EST) |
| | + | : I can do this. It might be necessary to create redirect pages for different names that people might try. I'm thinking of calling it [[Terrain types]]. --[[User:Seko|Seko]] 00:41, 27 September 2009 (IST) |
| | + | ::Now changed into a category: [[:Category:Location types]]. --[[User:EchoMan|EchoMan]] 13:30, 28 December 2011 (GMT) |
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| − | * A good idea would be to add notes into the discussion pages stating the information added and from what department. Personally, I've added the information for vehicles and animals, and so should be 99.9% accurate. --[[User:Anthony|Anthony Roberts]] 22:59, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)
| + | ====More info on how things are produced==== |
| | + | I think it would be good if the production chain for resources like string or iron, or items consisting of components was displayed on the relevant page so that people wouldn't have to visit pages of several machines or parts to collect data. When calculating daily rates for dating I generally find it necessary to visit several pages when the information would be quite relevant on the page of the final product. Does anyone have any good arguments as for why this should not be done? --[[User:Seko|Seko]] 00:23, 27 September 2009 (IST) |
| | + | : That sounds like a good idea. With all the calculations I have to do with things like string and iron, |
| | + | I've considered putting some of the calculations on the wiki. The aluminium page is very helpful, for example. I don't know what the best way to do this would be though. Perhaps some pages devoted specifically for understanding and calculating specific materials? --[[User:Joshuamonkey|Joshuamonkey]] 11:51, 15 October 2010 (IST) |
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| − | ====Pages needing breakdown==== | + | == Language specific templates == |
| − | *[[Tools]] must be broken up into separate [[:Category:Tools]] articles.
| + | Some spanish pages use the {{:inc1}}, :{{:inc2}} and :{{:inc3}} templates, this results in "language pollution" of [[:Category:Easy_unknowns]], [[:Category:Medium unknowns]], [[:Category:Hard unknowns]] and [[:Category:Incomplete]].<br> |
| | + | Since I don't know spanish, someone else will have to atleast make the spanish templates. [[User:Ceselb|Ceselb]] 10:02, 9 February 2007 (EST) |
| | + | : This was fixed some time back. --[[User:EchoMan|EchoMan]] 13:16, 28 December 2011 (GMT) |
If a picture is displayed too large in any of the new Infoboxes, that can be solved by using the new parameter "resize". Look at the documentation for details. I do not know where should I put this message. Sorry if it shouldn't go here.--AltoTN 05:47, 13 December 2010 (GMT)
I noticed that there needs to be pages for the different types of lands. What category would I put them under? It could possibly be put in way similar to the roads page. Also, would I be able to use images from in game as examples?Joshuamonkey 23:15, 18 November 2007 (EST)
I think it would be good if the production chain for resources like string or iron, or items consisting of components was displayed on the relevant page so that people wouldn't have to visit pages of several machines or parts to collect data. When calculating daily rates for dating I generally find it necessary to visit several pages when the information would be quite relevant on the page of the final product. Does anyone have any good arguments as for why this should not be done? --Seko 00:23, 27 September 2009 (IST)
I've considered putting some of the calculations on the wiki. The aluminium page is very helpful, for example. I don't know what the best way to do this would be though. Perhaps some pages devoted specifically for understanding and calculating specific materials? --Joshuamonkey 11:51, 15 October 2010 (IST)
