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Chars do use propane a lot, often coal is used to purify the gas, not wood. [[User:Frits|Frits]] 00:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)
 
Chars do use propane a lot, often coal is used to purify the gas, not wood. [[User:Frits|Frits]] 00:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)
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I made a comparison of using gas against using only coal. If you have all the drills and short transport ways, using coal seems to be better than using propane. --[[User:LimSup|LimSup]] 11:12, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
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USING COAL
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Obtaining iron ore, coal and limestone.
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Only required tools, no drills.
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*120000g iron ore
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**229 days (any hammer)
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**171429g hematite
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***229 days (manual)
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*132000g coal
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**528 days (manual)
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*440000g limestone
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**400 days (manual)
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total: 1386 days
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Best tools, no drills.
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*120000g iron ore
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**115 days (sledgehammer)
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**171429g hematite
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***115 days (pickaxe)
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*132000g coal
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**264 days (pickaxe)
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*440000g limestone
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**200 days (shovel)
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total: 694 days
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Best tools, all drills.
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*120000g iron ore
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**115 days (sledgehammer)
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**171429g hematite
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***46 days (hematite drill)
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*132000g coal
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**132 days (coal drill)
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*440000g limestone
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**100 days (limestone quarry)
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total: 393 days
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Making steel, after obtaining iron ore, coal and limestone.
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*100000g steel
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**143 days
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**60000g iron
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***172 days
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***120000g iron ore
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***72000g coal
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***240000g limestone
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**60000g coal
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**200000g limestone
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total: 315 days
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USING GAS
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Obtaining iron ore, propane and limestone.
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Best tools, all drills.
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*72691g iron ore
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**70 days (sledgehammer)
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**103845g hematite
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***28 days (hematite drill)
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*32712g propane
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**219 days
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**43616g gas
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***146 days (gas valve)
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**11995g wood
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***20 days (axe)
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**or 3272g coal
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***4 days (coal drill)
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*327106g limestone
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** 75 days (limestone quarry)
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total: 542 days (using coal instead of wood)
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Making steel, after obtaining iron ore, propane and limestone.
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*100000g steel
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**104 days
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**54518g iron
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***104 days
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***72691g iron ore
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***14539g propane
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***145382g limestone
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**18173g propane
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**181724g limestone
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total: 208 days
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RESULTS
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'''only coal''':
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*Only required tools, no drills: 1701 days, 58.7 g/day
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*Best tools, no drills: 1009 days, 99.1 g/day
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*'''best tools, all drills: 708 days, 141.2 g/day'''
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gas and coal, no wood:
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*best tools, all drills: 750 days, 133.3 g/day
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gas and wood, no coal:
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*best tools, all drills: 766 days, 130.5 g/day
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MACHINES AND TOOLS
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*Needed machines: [[smelting furnace]], [[stone table]] or [[work bench]]
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*Optional machines: [[hematite drill]], [[coal drill]], [[limestone quarry]]
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*Needed tools: [[pair of bellows]], any [[hammer]]
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*Optional tools: [[pickaxe]], [[ shovel]], [[sledgehammer]]
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Number crunching again, I calculated that you can even get better than 141.2 g/day by producing the iron with propane (purified with coal) and the steel with coal. This way you get more than 145 g/day. Of course under the assumption that you have all the drills and machines in one place. --[[User:LimSup|LimSup]] 14:58, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
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How about this practically irrelevant process?
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493 coal
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*1 days
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212 wood
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*1 days
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352 coke
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*1 days
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*493 coal
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*212 wood
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5270 oil
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*5 days
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3513 petrol
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*automatic (7.1 days)
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*5270 oil
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*352 coke
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360000 limestone
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*82 days
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21334 gas
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*72 days
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61600 coal
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*48 days (62 days without petrol)
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*2370 petrol
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16000 propane
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*107 days
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*21334 gas
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*1600 coal
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114286 hematite
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*23 days (31 days without petrol)
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*1143 petrol
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80000 iron ore
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*77 days
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*114286 hematite
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60000 iron
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*115 days
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*80000 iron ore
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*16000 propane
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*160000 limestone
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100000 steel
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*143 days
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*60000 iron
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*60000 coal
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*200000 limestone
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Total:
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*675 days, 148.1 g/day
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*Without rounding: 668.848 days, 149.51 g/day
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Tools and machines:
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*Oilderrick, Axe, Coaldrill, Cokeoven, Fractionaldistillationstack, Limestonequarry, Gasvalve, Gaspurifier, Hematitedrill, Sledgehammer, Stonetable, Smeltingfurnace, Bellows
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Drilling without petrol:
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*689 days, 145.1 g/day
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--[[User:LimSup|LimSup]] 16:43, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

Latest revision as of 20:43, 15 August 2007

did you include the raws needed to purify gas into propane? myszaq 19:16, 7 January 2007 (EST)

  • No, I didn't, good catch, fixed. Ceselb 09:21, 8 January 2007 (EST)

Chars do use propane a lot, often coal is used to purify the gas, not wood. Frits 00:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)

I made a comparison of using gas against using only coal. If you have all the drills and short transport ways, using coal seems to be better than using propane. --LimSup 11:12, 26 May 2007 (EDT)

USING COAL

Obtaining iron ore, coal and limestone.

Only required tools, no drills.

  • 120000g iron ore
    • 229 days (any hammer)
    • 171429g hematite
      • 229 days (manual)
  • 132000g coal
    • 528 days (manual)
  • 440000g limestone
    • 400 days (manual)

total: 1386 days

Best tools, no drills.

  • 120000g iron ore
    • 115 days (sledgehammer)
    • 171429g hematite
      • 115 days (pickaxe)
  • 132000g coal
    • 264 days (pickaxe)
  • 440000g limestone
    • 200 days (shovel)

total: 694 days

Best tools, all drills.

  • 120000g iron ore
    • 115 days (sledgehammer)
    • 171429g hematite
      • 46 days (hematite drill)
  • 132000g coal
    • 132 days (coal drill)
  • 440000g limestone
    • 100 days (limestone quarry)

total: 393 days

Making steel, after obtaining iron ore, coal and limestone.

  • 100000g steel
    • 143 days
    • 60000g iron
      • 172 days
      • 120000g iron ore
      • 72000g coal
      • 240000g limestone
    • 60000g coal
    • 200000g limestone

total: 315 days

USING GAS

Obtaining iron ore, propane and limestone.

Best tools, all drills.

  • 72691g iron ore
    • 70 days (sledgehammer)
    • 103845g hematite
      • 28 days (hematite drill)
  • 32712g propane
    • 219 days
    • 43616g gas
      • 146 days (gas valve)
    • 11995g wood
      • 20 days (axe)
    • or 3272g coal
      • 4 days (coal drill)
  • 327106g limestone
    • 75 days (limestone quarry)

total: 542 days (using coal instead of wood)

Making steel, after obtaining iron ore, propane and limestone.

  • 100000g steel
    • 104 days
    • 54518g iron
      • 104 days
      • 72691g iron ore
      • 14539g propane
      • 145382g limestone
    • 18173g propane
    • 181724g limestone

total: 208 days

RESULTS

only coal:

  • Only required tools, no drills: 1701 days, 58.7 g/day
  • Best tools, no drills: 1009 days, 99.1 g/day
  • best tools, all drills: 708 days, 141.2 g/day

gas and coal, no wood:

  • best tools, all drills: 750 days, 133.3 g/day

gas and wood, no coal:

  • best tools, all drills: 766 days, 130.5 g/day

MACHINES AND TOOLS

Number crunching again, I calculated that you can even get better than 141.2 g/day by producing the iron with propane (purified with coal) and the steel with coal. This way you get more than 145 g/day. Of course under the assumption that you have all the drills and machines in one place. --LimSup 14:58, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

How about this practically irrelevant process?

493 coal

  • 1 days

212 wood

  • 1 days

352 coke

  • 1 days
  • 493 coal
  • 212 wood

5270 oil

  • 5 days

3513 petrol

  • automatic (7.1 days)
  • 5270 oil
  • 352 coke

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360000 limestone

  • 82 days

21334 gas

  • 72 days

61600 coal

  • 48 days (62 days without petrol)
  • 2370 petrol

16000 propane

  • 107 days
  • 21334 gas
  • 1600 coal

114286 hematite

  • 23 days (31 days without petrol)
  • 1143 petrol

80000 iron ore

  • 77 days
  • 114286 hematite

60000 iron

  • 115 days
  • 80000 iron ore
  • 16000 propane
  • 160000 limestone

100000 steel

  • 143 days
  • 60000 iron
  • 60000 coal
  • 200000 limestone

Total:

  • 675 days, 148.1 g/day
  • Without rounding: 668.848 days, 149.51 g/day

Tools and machines:

  • Oilderrick, Axe, Coaldrill, Cokeoven, Fractionaldistillationstack, Limestonequarry, Gasvalve, Gaspurifier, Hematitedrill, Sledgehammer, Stonetable, Smeltingfurnace, Bellows

Drilling without petrol:

  • 689 days, 145.1 g/day

--LimSup 16:43, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

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