Talk:Comparative value of steel - Revision history

LimSup: Better again, but impractical (using petrol)

2007-08-15T20:43:45Z

Better again, but impractical (using petrol)

LimSup: Yet better: 145 g/day steel

2007-08-15T18:58:56Z

Yet better: 145 g/day steel

LimSup: Another comparison of the value of steel

2007-05-26T15:12:41Z

Another comparison of the value of steel

Frits at 05:43, 9 January 2007

2007-01-09T05:43:54Z

Ceselb at 14:21, 8 January 2007

2007-01-08T14:21:33Z

Myszaq at 00:16, 8 January 2007

2007-01-08T00:16:24Z

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did you include the raws needed to purify gas into propane? [[User:Myszaq|myszaq]] 19:16, 7 January 2007 (EST)

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	Number crunching again, I calculated that you can even get better than 141.2 g/day by producing the iron with propane (purified with coal) and the steel with coal. This way you get more than 145 g/day. Of course under the assumption that you have all the drills and machines in one place. --[[User:LimSup\|LimSup]] 14:58, 15 August 2007 (EDT)		Number crunching again, I calculated that you can even get better than 141.2 g/day by producing the iron with propane (purified with coal) and the steel with coal. This way you get more than 145 g/day. Of course under the assumption that you have all the drills and machines in one place. --[[User:LimSup\|LimSup]] 14:58, 15 August 2007 (EDT)
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		+	----
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		+	How about this practically irrelevant process?
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		+	493 coal
		+	*1 days
		+
		+	212 wood
		+	*1 days
		+
		+	352 coke
		+	*1 days
		+	*493 coal
		+	*212 wood
		+
		+	5270 oil
		+	*5 days
		+
		+	3513 petrol
		+	*automatic (7.1 days)
		+	*5270 oil
		+	*352 coke
		+	--
		+
		+	360000 limestone
		+	*82 days
		+
		+	21334 gas
		+	*72 days
		+
		+	61600 coal
		+	*48 days (62 days without petrol)
		+	*2370 petrol
		+
		+	16000 propane
		+	*107 days
		+	*21334 gas
		+	*1600 coal
		+
		+	114286 hematite
		+	*23 days (31 days without petrol)
		+	*1143 petrol
		+
		+	80000 iron ore
		+	*77 days
		+	*114286 hematite
		+
		+	60000 iron
		+	*115 days
		+	*80000 iron ore
		+	*16000 propane
		+	*160000 limestone
		+
		+	100000 steel
		+	*143 days
		+	*60000 iron
		+	*60000 coal
		+	*200000 limestone
		+
		+	Total:
		+	*675 days, 148.1 g/day
		+	*Without rounding: 668.848 days, 149.51 g/day
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		+	Tools and machines:
		+	*Oilderrick, Axe, Coaldrill, Cokeoven, Fractionaldistillationstack, Limestonequarry, Gasvalve, Gaspurifier, Hematitedrill, Sledgehammer, Stonetable, Smeltingfurnace, Bellows
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		+	Drilling without petrol:
		+	*689 days, 145.1 g/day
		+	--[[User:LimSup\|LimSup]] 16:43, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

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	*Needed tools: [[pair of bellows]], any [[hammer]]		*Needed tools: [[pair of bellows]], any [[hammer]]
	*Optional tools: [[pickaxe]], [[ shovel]], [[sledgehammer]]		*Optional tools: [[pickaxe]], [[ shovel]], [[sledgehammer]]
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		+	----
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		+	Number crunching again, I calculated that you can even get better than 141.2 g/day by producing the iron with propane (purified with coal) and the steel with coal. This way you get more than 145 g/day. Of course under the assumption that you have all the drills and machines in one place. --[[User:LimSup\|LimSup]] 14:58, 15 August 2007 (EDT)

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	Chars do use propane a lot, often coal is used to purify the gas, not wood. [[User:Frits\|Frits]] 00:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)		Chars do use propane a lot, often coal is used to purify the gas, not wood. [[User:Frits\|Frits]] 00:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)
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		+	----
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		+	I made a comparison of using gas against using only coal. If you have all the drills and short transport ways, using coal seems to be better than using propane. --[[User:LimSup\|LimSup]] 11:12, 26 May 2007 (EDT)
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		+	USING COAL
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		+	Obtaining iron ore, coal and limestone.
		+
		+	Only required tools, no drills.
		+	*120000g iron ore
		+	**229 days (any hammer)
		+	**171429g hematite
		+	***229 days (manual)
		+	*132000g coal
		+	**528 days (manual)
		+	*440000g limestone
		+	**400 days (manual)
		+	total: 1386 days
		+
		+	Best tools, no drills.
		+	*120000g iron ore
		+	**115 days (sledgehammer)
		+	**171429g hematite
		+	***115 days (pickaxe)
		+	*132000g coal
		+	**264 days (pickaxe)
		+	*440000g limestone
		+	**200 days (shovel)
		+	total: 694 days
		+
		+	Best tools, all drills.
		+	*120000g iron ore
		+	**115 days (sledgehammer)
		+	**171429g hematite
		+	***46 days (hematite drill)
		+	*132000g coal
		+	**132 days (coal drill)
		+	*440000g limestone
		+	**100 days (limestone quarry)
		+	total: 393 days
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		+	Making steel, after obtaining iron ore, coal and limestone.
		+
		+	*100000g steel
		+	**143 days
		+	**60000g iron
		+	***172 days
		+	***120000g iron ore
		+	***72000g coal
		+	***240000g limestone
		+	**60000g coal
		+	**200000g limestone
		+	total: 315 days
		+
		+	USING GAS
		+
		+	Obtaining iron ore, propane and limestone.
		+
		+	Best tools, all drills.
		+	*72691g iron ore
		+	**70 days (sledgehammer)
		+	**103845g hematite
		+	***28 days (hematite drill)
		+	*32712g propane
		+	**219 days
		+	**43616g gas
		+	***146 days (gas valve)
		+	**11995g wood
		+	***20 days (axe)
		+	**or 3272g coal
		+	***4 days (coal drill)
		+	*327106g limestone
		+	** 75 days (limestone quarry)
		+	total: 542 days (using coal instead of wood)
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		+	Making steel, after obtaining iron ore, propane and limestone.
		+
		+	*100000g steel
		+	**104 days
		+	**54518g iron
		+	***104 days
		+	***72691g iron ore
		+	***14539g propane
		+	***145382g limestone
		+	**18173g propane
		+	**181724g limestone
		+	total: 208 days
		+
		+	RESULTS
		+
		+	'''only coal''':
		+	*Only required tools, no drills: 1701 days, 58.7 g/day
		+	*Best tools, no drills: 1009 days, 99.1 g/day
		+	*'''best tools, all drills: 708 days, 141.2 g/day'''
		+	gas and coal, no wood:
		+	*best tools, all drills: 750 days, 133.3 g/day
		+	gas and wood, no coal:
		+	*best tools, all drills: 766 days, 130.5 g/day
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		+	MACHINES AND TOOLS
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		+	*Needed machines: [[smelting furnace]], [[stone table]] or [[work bench]]
		+	*Optional machines: [[hematite drill]], [[coal drill]], [[limestone quarry]]
		+	*Needed tools: [[pair of bellows]], any [[hammer]]
		+	*Optional tools: [[pickaxe]], [[ shovel]], [[sledgehammer]]

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	did you include the raws needed to purify gas into propane? [[User:Myszaq\|myszaq]] 19:16, 7 January 2007 (EST)		did you include the raws needed to purify gas into propane? [[User:Myszaq\|myszaq]] 19:16, 7 January 2007 (EST)
	*No, I didn't, good catch, fixed. [[User:Ceselb\|Ceselb]] 09:21, 8 January 2007 (EST)		*No, I didn't, good catch, fixed. [[User:Ceselb\|Ceselb]] 09:21, 8 January 2007 (EST)
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		+	Chars do use propane a lot, often coal is used to purify the gas, not wood. [[User:Frits\|Frits]] 00:43, 9 January 2007 (EST)

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	did you include the raws needed to purify gas into propane? [[User:Myszaq\|myszaq]] 19:16, 7 January 2007 (EST)		did you include the raws needed to purify gas into propane? [[User:Myszaq\|myszaq]] 19:16, 7 January 2007 (EST)
		+	*No, I didn't, good catch, fixed. [[User:Ceselb\|Ceselb]] 09:21, 8 January 2007 (EST)