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Category:Land Vehicles

2008-12-26T16:05:49Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

{{Incomplete| Requires fleshing out and adding cross links --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 13:12, 30 September 2006 (EDT)}}
=={{PAGENAME}}==

This category lists all vehicles in Cantr which can travel over land. These can only be built outside.

==Sorted by road type:==

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
|-
|Path or better || [[bike]], [[bike cart]], [[dirt motorcycle]], [[jeep]], [[pickup]], [[rickshaw]], [[small pickup]], [[small tractor]], [[small wooden cart]], [[tandem bike]], [[tractor]], [[tricycle]]
|-
|Sand Road or better || [[bus]], [[caddie]], [[limousine]], [[mini-van]], [[passenger car]], [[road motorcycle]], [[small sportscar]], [[small van]], [[stationcar]], [[van]]
|-
|Paved Road or better || [[skateboard]]
|-
|}

==Sorted by [[practical_max_capacity|maximum capacity with single passenger]]:==

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" style=border="1"
!|Vehicle
!|Grams
|-
|[[Skateboard]] || ???
|-
|[[Tricycle]] || 7320
|-
|[[Dirt motorcycle]] || 8860
|-
|[[Bike]] || 14820
|-
|[[Small tractor]] || 16740
|-
|[[Road motorcycle]] || 20020
|-
|[[Small wooden cart]] || 29820
|-
|[[Bike cart]] || 32320
|-
|[[Tractor]] || 39820
|-
|[[Caddie]] || 57740
|-
|[[Rickshaw]] || 69820
|-
|[[Small sportscar]] || 72740
|-
|[[Tandem bike]] || 76820
|-
|[[Road motorcycle]] with [[sidecar]] || 80470
|-
|[[Jeep]] || 95740
|-
|[[Small pickup]] || 95740
|-
|[[Pickup]] || 187740
|-
|[[Passenger car]] || 207740
|-
|[[Stationcar]] || 219820
|-
|[[Mini-van]] || 262740
|-
|[[Small van]] || 359820
|-
|[[Limousine]] || 477740
|-
|[[Van]] || 637740
|-
|[[Bus]] || 1937740
|-
|}

==Sorted by [[vehicle speed|base speed]]:==

{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" style=border="1"
!align="left"|Vehicle
!align="right"|Base Speed
!align="right"|.
!align="left"|Vehicle
!align="right"|Base Speed
!align="right"|.
!align="left"|Vehicle
!align="right"|Base Speed
|-
|[[Bus]] || 1 || || [[Road motorcycle]] || 0.85 || || [[Rickshaw]] || 0.19
|-
|[[Caddie]] || 1 || || [[Small sportscar]] || 0.77 || || [[Bike]] || 0.18
|-
|[[Jeep]] || 1 || || [[Dirt motorcycle]] || 0.7 || || [[Tricycle]] || 0.18
|-
|[[Small pickup]] || 1 || || [[Small tractor]] || 0.7 || || [[Skateboard]] || 0.11
|-
|[[Pickup]] || 1 || || [[Tractor]] || 0.7 || || [[Small wooden cart]] || 0.07
|-
|[[Stationcar]] || 1 || || [[Passenger car]] || .54 || || ||
|-
|[[Mini-van]] || 1 || || [[Small van]] || 0.467 || || ||
|-
|[[Limousine]] || 1 || || [[Bike cart]] || 0.32 || || ||
|-
|[[Van]] || 1 || || [[Tandem bike]] || 0.22 || || ||
|-
|}

* Those which can be built without iron: [[small wooden cart]].

* Those which require iron but not steel: [[skateboard]].

[[Category:vehicles]]

Tips and Tricks

2008-07-31T16:55:31Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: Page started

Below are a list of 'tips and trick's for playing Cantr, aimed at players already familiar with the game. They involve more detailed descriptions of the coding and mechanics behind Cantr, as well as useful ways of most efficiently playing the game and the best strategic use of game mechanics.

For more general playing advide, see [[Game Mechanics]], [[Game Dynamics]] and [[:Category:The Basics]]

Cantr Webzine

2008-06-25T11:49:21Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: /* About the Zine */

Cantr II has a quarterly webzine with articles based on the game, puzzles, tips, tricks, interviews and more! ([http://www.cantr.net/e107 Stolen Notes])

==About the Zine==

Although off to a rough start (as it took six months to gather submissions and support from the Cantr player body), by the release Issue in June 2005, the Zine purported the following mission:

:''"There should be something of interest to any player, whether you've been playing Cantr for a long time, or have just started your addiction. We hope this will be become a place to visit regularly, with periodic updates. With time, this is hoped to become a repository of Cantr information, history, insights, games and the like, from both staff and players."''

After the release of four bimonthly issues by the end of 2005, [[User:czneddie|Jon]] replaced editor [[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Nick]] and joined the other founding editor, [[User:Sarah|Sarah Smith]].

In 2006, the Zine switched to a quarterly cycle to allow more time for submissions, editing, formatting and hype-building. During this time, it saw the first full color cartoon by [[User:Seko|Seko]] and 40% of readers agreed that the Zine had improved.

Today, the current editors are [[User:Ulodetero|Paul Reed]] and Andrew Brown.

==Contact the Zine==

*We're always happy to receive submissions of any kind. However, the submissions process has been changed because of spam. Emails sent to ''webzine@cantr.net'' will '''not''' be received!

*Instead, to submit something to us, please login to your Cantr account and select ''Contact Cantr II Departments'' near the bottom of the page. Choose ''Webzine'' from the drop-down box and compose your email as you normally would.

*If you do not have access to an account, PM the current editors, who are [http://www.cantr.net/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=100522 Paul Reed] and [http://www.cantr.net/forum/privmsg.php?mode=post&u=101585 Andrew Brown].

User:Hallucinatingfarmer

2008-01-23T13:04:18Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Previously Chair of the CD and member of Webzine team, but currently taking a backseat whilst I get on with the rest of my life.

Cantr Chat Channel

2008-01-23T12:56:30Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

The Cantr Chat Channel is an Internet-Relay-Chat (IRC) Channel. A Java applet from the Cantr site is available [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=irc&l=1 here].

Alternatively, there are many IRC clients available for download or at work which offer more functionality / accessibility - both free and commercial (see [[Cantr Chat Channel#IRC clients|below]])

For those new to IRC, check out the [[Cantr Chat Channel#Introduction to IRC|Introduction to IRC]]

==Connection Details==
The set-up details for each client do differ, but they will all need you to input the following information:

*Server: irc.tobug.net
*Port: 6667
*Channel: #cantr

Clicking [irc://irc.tobug.net/#cantr here] may also work if your client is set up with your browser.

You will also need to set your firewall to allow the client to connect.
If you can't get connected, please contact the [[Communications Department]]

===IRC clients===
There are both commercial clients (such as the popular [http://www.mirc.com mIRC]) and open-source / freeware clients.

Some suggested free/open-source clients
* [http://www.opera.com/ Opera] Free web browser with in-built IRC client
* [http://www.mozilla.org/projects/rt-messaging/chatzilla/ ChatZilla](built into Mozilla and available as an extension for Firefox)
* [http://www.xchat.org XChat] free for Unix, shareware for Windows
* [http://pidgin.im/ Pidgin] Free software for IRC as well as yahoo, AiM, MSN etc (Previously known as Gaim)

See the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRC_clients Wikipedia article] on IRC clients for more information.

For work / school / college access, try:
* [http://ircatwork.com/]
* [http://gogloom.com/]

==Introduction to IRC==
For those not used to IRC [http://www.irchelp.org irchelp.org] is useful. Just remember to type: 
/nick 
then a space follwed by your desired nickname when you log on.

==Server Rules==
These are rules set by the server. In addition, we will not tolerate any breaches of the Capital Rule (See: [[Game Rules]]).

<pre>
- ======================================================
-
- Rules and Guidlines:
- --------------------
-
- NO SPAMMING OF ANY KIND!
- (exception:Global Notices By Network Services)
- NO ABUSIVE BOTS!
- MAX 5 CONNECTIONS PER HOST/IP!
- NO FLOODING!
- NO HARASSMENT OF ANY KIND!
-
- =======================================================
</pre>

===Server MOTD===
From 02/11/2007 - (may not be up-todate)

<pre>
- 2/11/2007 23:25
- is the last built date of this server.
-
- IRC.TOBUG.NET - NewNet IRC Network
- ======================================
-
- Location: New York, NY
-
- ======================================================
- Admin:
- ReZNiC
-
- Co-Admin(s):
- BlueFire
- Kind
-
- Newnet Core Administrator(s):
- Kevin
- ReZNiC
- Forkup
-
- IRC Operators and BackUp Operators:
- ReZNiC
- Kind
- BlueFire
- Kevin
- DragonFlu
- RatContrl
- Metal
- Radomock
- Mog
- Forkup
- Cannon
- Gilli
- IceDragon
- ^Roach^
- WhiteDawn
-
- ======================================================
-
- We are not looking for staff, so do not ask.
- NewNet has enough now. We'll come to you, not
- the other way around. Thank you for your interest.
- You are always welcome to help in #services anyway.
-
- ======================================================
-
- Recommended Channels:
- --------------------
- #Services - Newnet Network Services Help Channel.
- #Help - General Help Channel
- #Woohoo - WooHoo mIRC script for Newnet.
-
- ======================================================
-
- Rules and Guidlines:
- --------------------
-
- NO SPAMMING OF ANY KIND!
- (exception:Global Notices By Network Services)
- NO ABUSIVE BOTS!
- MAX 5 CONNECTIONS PER HOST/IP!
- NO FLOODING!
- NO HARASSMENT OF ANY KIND!
-
- =======================================================
- DISCLAIMER:
-
- Each connecting client will be scanned for open proxy
- and certain virii signatures. If you don't wish to be
- scanned then do not connect to this server. Global
- notices by class instructors are made daily, if you
- wish not to receive global notices use the following:
- type /ignore Global
-
- Though IRC (Internet Relay Chat) can be enjoyable,
- it is also an unmoderated medium. The owners of the
- irc network and server owners are not and can not
- be held responsible for any and all content and/or
- materials on this irc network. So Parents please
- supervise your childs chat session.
-
- The server administrator(s) reserve the right to ban,
- remove, or restrict any access to channels and/or
- nicknames on this server with out any notification.
- Each oper of this server carries this right and may take
- action on any client at any time.
-
- Any questions or concerns about this server may
- be directed to #services or #eviltwins and request to
- private message a server operator of irc.tobug.net.
-
- Thank you,
-
- irc.tobug.net staff
-
- =======================================================
-
-
</pre>

==Statistics Page==
For the old gnug.org - may be defunct if not updated.
[http://aculei.net/~mabus/irc/cantr.html Statistics page]

Cantr Chat Channel

2008-01-23T12:51:11Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: New server details & re-write

The Cantr Chat Channel is an Internet-Relay-Chat (IRC) Channel. A Java applet from the Cantr site is available [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=irc&l=1 here].

Alternatively, there are many IRC clients available for download which offer more functionality / accessibility - both free and commercial (see [[Cantr Chat Channel#IRC clients|below]])

For those new to IRC, check [[Cantr Chat Channel#Introduction to IRC]]

==Connection Details==
The set-up details for each client do differ, but they will all need you to input the following information:

*Server: irc.tobug.net
*Port: 6667
*Channel: #cantr

Clicking [irc://irc.tobug.net/#cantr here] may also work if your client is set up with your browser.

You will also need to set your firewall to allow the client to connect.
If you can't get connected, please contact the [[Communications Department]]

===IRC clients===
There are both commercial clients (such as the popular [http://www.mirc.com mIRC]) and open-source / freeware clients.

Some suggested free/open-source clients
* [http://www.opera.com/ Opera] Free web browser with in-built IRC client
* [http://www.mozilla.org/projects/rt-messaging/chatzilla/ ChatZilla](built into Mozilla and available as an extension for Firefox)
* [http://www.xchat.org XChat] free for Unix, shareware for Windows
* [http://pidgin.im/ Pidgin] Free software for IRC as well as yahoo, AiM, MSN etc (Previously known as Gaim)

See the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IRC_clients Wikipedia article] on IRC clients for more information.

==Introduction to IRC==
For those not used to IRC [http://www.irchelp.org irchelp.org] is useful. Just remember to type: 
/nick 
then a space follwed by your desired nickname when you log on.

==Server Rules==
These are rules set by the server. In addition, we will not tolerate any breaches of the Capital Rule (See: [[Game Rules]]).

<pre>
- ======================================================
-
- Rules and Guidlines:
- --------------------
-
- NO SPAMMING OF ANY KIND!
- (exception:Global Notices By Network Services)
- NO ABUSIVE BOTS!
- MAX 5 CONNECTIONS PER HOST/IP!
- NO FLOODING!
- NO HARASSMENT OF ANY KIND!
-
- =======================================================
</pre>

===Server MOTD===
From 02/11/2007 - (may not be up-todate)

<pre>
- 2/11/2007 23:25
- is the last built date of this server.
-
- IRC.TOBUG.NET - NewNet IRC Network
- ======================================
-
- Location: New York, NY
-
- ======================================================
- Admin:
- ReZNiC
-
- Co-Admin(s):
- BlueFire
- Kind
-
- Newnet Core Administrator(s):
- Kevin
- ReZNiC
- Forkup
-
- IRC Operators and BackUp Operators:
- ReZNiC
- Kind
- BlueFire
- Kevin
- DragonFlu
- RatContrl
- Metal
- Radomock
- Mog
- Forkup
- Cannon
- Gilli
- IceDragon
- ^Roach^
- WhiteDawn
-
- ======================================================
-
- We are not looking for staff, so do not ask.
- NewNet has enough now. We'll come to you, not
- the other way around. Thank you for your interest.
- You are always welcome to help in #services anyway.
-
- ======================================================
-
- Recommended Channels:
- --------------------
- #Services - Newnet Network Services Help Channel.
- #Help - General Help Channel
- #Woohoo - WooHoo mIRC script for Newnet.
-
- ======================================================
-
- Rules and Guidlines:
- --------------------
-
- NO SPAMMING OF ANY KIND!
- (exception:Global Notices By Network Services)
- NO ABUSIVE BOTS!
- MAX 5 CONNECTIONS PER HOST/IP!
- NO FLOODING!
- NO HARASSMENT OF ANY KIND!
-
- =======================================================
- DISCLAIMER:
-
- Each connecting client will be scanned for open proxy
- and certain virii signatures. If you don't wish to be
- scanned then do not connect to this server. Global
- notices by class instructors are made daily, if you
- wish not to receive global notices use the following:
- type /ignore Global
-
- Though IRC (Internet Relay Chat) can be enjoyable,
- it is also an unmoderated medium. The owners of the
- irc network and server owners are not and can not
- be held responsible for any and all content and/or
- materials on this irc network. So Parents please
- supervise your childs chat session.
-
- The server administrator(s) reserve the right to ban,
- remove, or restrict any access to channels and/or
- nicknames on this server with out any notification.
- Each oper of this server carries this right and may take
- action on any client at any time.
-
- Any questions or concerns about this server may
- be directed to #services or #eviltwins and request to
- private message a server operator of irc.tobug.net.
-
- Thank you,
-
- irc.tobug.net staff
-
- =======================================================
-
-
</pre>

==Statistics Page==
For the old gnug.org - may be defunct if not updated.
[http://aculei.net/~mabus/irc/cantr.html Statistics page]

Talk:Unana

2007-07-23T15:33:01Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Is this top-ten really necessary? I think it's pointless information and definitely not main page stuff ... why not move it to 'current events' or something? Or to a page about the Wiki?
--[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 05:51, 3 Nov 2005 (EST)

: No, that's fair enough. I was attempting to show the active editing community that we appreciate the work they're putting in. This really should go in 'Community portal', which as Sho suggested "the idea is that the "wiki community" means the people who go there often and edit", with reference to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Community_Portal Wikipedia version]. And just for clarity, do you debate its placement here, or that ''and'' its existence? -- [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 21:22, 3 Nov 2005 (EST)

: I don't think it's very useful, so in that sense I was debating it's existence, but I don't really care one way or the other. The placement was my main objection. --[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 13:49, 5 Nov 2005 (EST)

==International Emotes link==
I have added a link, as requests keep coming up on the forums about how to deal with meetings between characters of different language groups. I have used this before, and assume that its presence on the Cantr wiki means it is a legitimate tool, but as far as I'm aware, dictionaries are a no-no, hence the disclaimer.
A formal decision/formal guidance by staff on how to deal with 'international' meetings in Cantr would be appreciated (and is oft-requested)--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 11:33, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

User:Hallucinatingfarmer

2006-10-24T22:39:09Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Previously Chair of CD and member of Webzine team, but currently taking a backseat whilst I get on with the rest of my life.

Your First Cantr Day

2006-10-17T21:19:51Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

[[Twój pierwszy dzień w Cantr|Po polsku]] ''(in Polish)''

Many players are quickly discouraged when playing Cantr because of a somewhat steep learning curve and a possibly harsh first few days. This little text will help you through them.

Once your account is accepted, and you log in for the first time, you will see on the [[Interface Guide#Main Page|player page]] a list of your characters. You can access your character by clicking on the little smiling face in front of his or her name:

http://www.cantr.net/graphics/cantr/pictures/button_small_char_happy.gif

This will bring you to the [[Interface Guide#Events Page|events page]], where you can see what has happened since you spawned in this town. The first time you log in, this page will probably be mostly empty. The first day, the events page is sometimes very boring. Depending on the population size and the activity level of the town it may take a day or more for interesting events to begin to appear. Reading this events page is the best way to understand the basic mechanism of the game as well as the people and activities of the town.

A very good start is for your character to say his or her name and that they have just arrived there. Use the little form on top of the events list, type in the words of your character, and press the 'Talk to all' button. Everybody at that location will now be able to read what your character has said once they log in (most likely not immediately, since players are often not online at the same time). When you check the events page next time, you are likely to see some response.

When your character speaks, keep in mind that you are always [[Roleplay|writing from the perspective of your character]] - it is not you (the player) talking, but your character. Don't refer to the world outside the game when your character talks. Your character knows only what he or she has directly and personally encountered in Cantr.

Also, remember that communication in Cantr is not instant. The result of this is that smilies and abbreviations such as "lol" are usually frowned upon. If you wish to express an [[Emoting|action]], rather than words, the custom is to enclose the action with asterisks. (Example: Hello. *smiles*) As with everything else, there is a point where this gets overused.

Note that none of the people at that location - of which you can see a list by clicking on the [[Interface Guide#People Page|people page]] link - is an artificial character; each and every one of them is played by a real player, just as your character is.

When you see another character telling you their name, you can click on that name in the events page, then click on the little smiley face in front of the name, and then you will see a form where you can enter the name by which you want to remember this character. So, at first every character will look like 'a man in his twenties' or something similar, but gradually you will learn most names. This is also why it is generally appreciated when your character gives his or her name the first day, since all others will see you as 'a woman in her twenties' or the masculine equivalent of that.

When you click on 'objects' you enter the [[Interface Guide#Objects Page|objects page]], where you can see all objects which are laying on the ground. Everybody at that location can also see those objects. You can read notes that are there by clicking on the eye button:

http://www.cantr.net/graphics/cantr/pictures/button_small_read.gif

It is '''strongly advised''' that you read the notes on the ground before doing anything else at that location. Often among these notes is a set of laws or rules that have been established for that region and in some places you will be dealt with harshly if you ignore those laws. Laws may exist on whether hunting is allowed, whether you can gather your own food or resources, whether you can whisper to others, whether you are allowed to leave the town, etc. - laws can exist on any possible behaviour. Those laws are not defined by the game designer, but by the characters at that location. Your character is, in the beginning, very vulnerable - he or she has no food, no clothes, no weapons - so the actions and choices your character makes will greatly affect his or her present and future life!

Your character may want to pick up notes and make copies. You can pick them up with:

http://www.cantr.net/graphics/cantr/pictures/button_small_take.gif

You can then go to the [[Interface Guide#Inventory Page|inventory page]], where you can make a copy with:

http://www.cantr.net/graphics/cantr/pictures/button_small_copy.gif

And drop one of the two you have with:

http://www.cantr.net/graphics/cantr/pictures/button_small_drop.gif

Note that it is usually not appreciated if you take up the note but forget to drop a copy again!

One of the first things to worry about is food. In some locations, you are free to gather this yourself. Just go to the [[Interface Guide#Location Page|location page]], and click on the pictogram in front of any of the [[nourishing food|edible resources]] on that location. Once you gathered some food, your character will [[Auto-eat|automatically eat]] on a daily basis (if the food is edible without being cooked or processed). Some foods are for healing only and cannot be used for daily nourishment. But, as said, read the notes on the ground first! In some locations, gathering food for yourself is forbidden or limited, because there is a limit on how many people can be gathering resources at once. Some locations also have free food available for newspawns or special work programs for them. Find this out first if you want your character to avoid jail or even mob execution.

This should help you out to avoid disappointment when your character is immediately imprisoned or killed for breaking the law. Because there is no special protection for the characters of new players in Cantr, you may want to be conservative in your character's actions at first.

For helpful information on how to create a good Cantr character, see this Webzine article on [http://www.cantr.net/e107/content.php?article.33 character development]. Also definitely check out the page on the [[Rules of Thumb|rules of thumb]] for playing Cantr. To learn more about buttons and technical game mechanics, check out this page describing the basic [[Game Mechanics|game mechanics]] (including the [[Interface Guide|interface guide]]), and a text on the [[Game Dynamics|dynamics]] of the game, which will explain to you the basic idea of how to play.

Finally, don't forget to check out the [http://www.cantr.net/forum discussion forum], which forms the backbone of the Cantr players community and where you can find all the help you need when parts of the game are unclear to you.

I hope this will help your characters survive the first few days, which are somewhat tough to get through, but after which you are likely to be fascinated by the (almost) limitless possibilities of your characters lives in Cantr! Have fun!

[[Category:The Basics]]

Category:The Basics

2006-10-17T21:19:32Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

==The Basics==
Below are articles which detail some basic information about Cantr; how to play, what to expect, the rules of the game, and guidance for your first day in Cantr

Known Bugs

2006-10-17T21:17:04Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

===I can't login/Cantr doesn't load or the forums. Oh no. No Cantr!===
Solution: At about 15:20 (GMT) the server does a backup, and this lasts (about) half an hour - just sit tight.

===I see [ship name] undocking everywhere===
Description: The same ship will be seen undocking to any characters travelling, no matter where they are in relation to the boat or sea.

Solution: It's a Cantr ghost ship - be afraid!

Or just ignore it - some kinda glitch with docking/undocking procedures, when someone uses the back button and tries to dock again.

===Dragging project is at over 100%===
Description: On the character list page the percentage complete by the name of a character dragging person or pulling a note, envelope or item displays a value over 100%.

Solution: Cancel project and start again.

===I can't pass things whilst travelling on foot===
Solution: This isn't a bug. You'll have to wait until you reach your destination.

On the other hand, if you are in a vehicle, you can pass objects to characters walking on the road - just see it as the vehicle being faster, and able to pull-up alongside walking characters.

(Copied from original forum thread [http://www.cantr.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4429 Known Bugs & Workarounds])

===I finished a project for a building/vehicle/landmark but it's not there!===
Solution: Don't use HTML, or apostrophes, or hyphens, or anything else but alphanumeric characters (to be on the safe side) when naming buildings or vehicles - or they're likely to get all manner of weird things happening to them... Contact the Programming Department with details of the missing building.

===Error: You are not allowed to view events for other characters===
Description: Caused by use of the browser back button. You are then redirected to the character listing.

Solution: Do not use the browser's back button. Most Cantr pages have an embedded back button (a green arrow pointing to the left) or a link that says Back.

===Error: You cannot pick up this fixed object===
Description: Happens when you go halfway through starting a project with a [[Machinery|machine]], for example to see how much resources would be needed, then use the browser back button to go back to the Objects list and click on another item. The game interprets it so that you are trying to pick up the machine. Also, a project with the outcome of 0 grams is created.

Solution: Don't click on other machinery after toying with one. Also remember to go to Activities and cancel the 0 project because it's blocking the machine from being used for a few days unless you cancel it.

===Something else happened which looks like a bug but is not listed above===

Other bugs can be reported to the Programming Department by either emailing bugs (at) cantr (dot) net, or posting a report in the [http://www.cantr.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=3 General Support Forum].

When reporting a bug please leave enough information for the Programming Department to trace the issue. If the infomation and/or bug is sensitive then please use a private contact method such as email.

[[Category:The Basics]]

Game Mechanics

2006-10-17T21:16:46Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

'''Food'''
*[[Auto-eat]]ing
*[[Nourishing food]]
*[[:Category:Healing foods|Healing foods]]

'''Damage and Healing'''
*[[Skills|Skills or states]]
*[[:Category:Healing foods|Healing foods]]
*The [[Eat button]]
*[[Sickness]]
*[[Sleeping sickness]]

'''Interface Guide'''
*[[Interface Guide]]
**[[Player page]]
**[[Character info]]
**[[Events page]]
**[[Inventory page]]
**[[Location page]]
**[[Buildings & Vehicles page]]
**[[People page]]
**[[Objects page]]
**[[Activity page]]
**[[Character and player menus]]
*[[Character description]]
*[[Docking|Docking Guide]]

[[Category:The Basics]]

Game Dynamics

2006-10-17T21:16:16Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

You are welcome to join Cantr II. However, before proceeding, please read the following text carefully. It might save you a few disappointments later on.

First, Cantr II is probably unlike most other online games you`ve played. The idea is to simulate the development of societies - there is [[roleplay]] allowed (and encouraged); there is building allowed (and encouraged); there is violence allowed (and to some extent encouraged, although there are limitations on it) - but none of those three things is the end goal of the game. The game will be the most fun if you participate in this process - if you interact with others around you, and if you find nothing is happening, just do something!

PLEASE NOTE: If your idea of a good time is to leave a trail of corpses behind you, Cantr II is not the game for you.

Also: Cantr II is set in a fairly realistic world. The technology level is strange - it is possible to build cars and helicopters in a world where a state-of-the-art tool is likely to be a pitchfork - but there is no magic of any kind built into the game. (Now, if your character wants to pretend there`s magic, or believe things have happened by the power of some god, that`s another matter...)

Second, the Web-based interface makes Cantr II a fairly slow-paced game. Please be patient! It might take you three or four days to walk to the next location. It might take a day or two for the person you`re talking to to log in and respond. It`s possible that even if you can see 40 people standing in your location when you say something, none of them are there to respond immediately!

Third, the in-game economy and laws are entirely determined by the players. The game`s code provides the means to produce physical objects; what you do with those is not (and will not be) coded. No social structure will be coded. No concept of ownership will be coded. No rules or laws will be coded, beyond some limitations on violence. The two requirements imposed by the game are that characters need to eat, and that death is final and permanent...

Cantr now has a system of genetically transferrable [[Skills|skills]] which influence how effective you are at different things your character does.

[[Category:The Basics]]

Rules of Thumb

2006-10-17T21:15:46Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

'''Keep Organized'''

== Read The Laws! ==

The best rule of thumb for anywhere you spawn is to make sure you read the laws!
If they aren't available (they are usually in note form on the ground) then don't be afraid to ask around.

Reading the laws you can do by clicking on 'objects', which lists all objects on the [[Ground|ground]] on that location, including notes, and then on the eye-buttons to read the specific notes that you see. Most locations with at least a few people living there will have a note with general rules or laws, but not all locations have laws.

In most (but not all) places, it is not a good idea to knock on buildings, go into buildings, take items off the ground, or hit people.

There are no game rules stating you must follow the laws of your society, but remember, if you choose to be someone who breaks the law, be sure you can get away with it unless you want to face the consequences.

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== Keep It Original! ==
Another good idea is to make your characters as original as possible. Using outside names of people and organizations is generally frowned upon by serious roleplayers. It shows a lack of imagination, and imagination is what makes Cantr so great. Even if your character does not assume the aspects of the real life person, your character will be taken much less seriously than a character with an original name.

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== Out Of Character \ In Character ==

OOC is the tag most use in game to indicate that the "player" uses to convey a message from their point of view rather than the characters. This is generally frowned upon in the game but is still used in certain cases. If you *must* speak OOC, it's preferred you do so in a whisper.

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== North is Right! ==

In case you're unaware, the map you see on the location page is tilted 90 degrees clockwise, placing north on the right-hand side of the map, where east would usually be. So, north is right, east is down, south is left, and west is up. Please remember this when mapping a region, or navigating the seas! Without this knowledge, you could easily become lost!

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Game Rules

2006-10-17T21:15:02Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

The rules in Cantr are enforced by the [[Players Department]] and set by the [[Game Administration Council]]. Note that the text below is not the authoritative representation of the rules, since this page can be edited by anyone.

[[Zasady Gry|Polska Wersja]] ''(Polish version)''
== Capital Rule ==

There is one rule that governs the interaction among the characters in Cantr II.

While each individual player is allowed to have multiple characters, those characters MUST be separate and distinct individuals. This has several ramifications for the game:

* Your characters are not automatically a family, a clan, a tribe, an army, a company, or so on - not necessarily even friends. They should have their own interests and goals. They should not know each other unless they happen to meet. If two of your characters interact, they should do so as though each were looking out for their own interests and goals - essentially, as though the other character were being played by a stranger. Describing your characters as a family, banding all of your characters together to form an army, or starting a character solely to produce goods or perform services for the benefit of another one of your characters (making a `mule` character) are all violations of this aspect of the Capital Rule.
* Your characters do not automatically know what your other characters have seen or done. If you have a character in a city, that character should not know that there`s been a revolution to overthrow the empress of another town and establish democracy until someone travels from the latter city to the first to spread the news, even if you have another character in the empress's city. Discussing events that happened elsewhere before the news has spread by in-game means is a violation of this aspect of the Capital Rule.
* Similarly, a multi-location organization should not exist without some member of the organization fairly traveling from one location to the other - ABC Corporation should not open offices in two cities, unless someone travels from one of the two to the other to open the second office. The creation of organizations should take place in the game - not among your personal characters, and not offline among your friends who also play.
* You should also refrain from organizing events with your friends, who also play Cantr, outside of the game. This, although it may be hard to catch, is considered cheating as it presents an unfair advantage to the other characters in Cantr.

The Players Department is here to help with interpretation of the Capital Rule. If you`re not sure if something you`re about to do is a violation, ask first! If you think someone else is breaking the rule, the Players Department can investigate. The Department can be contacted by emailing players@cantr.net - or just use the link on the Departments page.

Although these do not fully capture the Capital Rule, a number of simple guidelines assist the Players Department in dealing with (likely) breaches:
* You are not allowed to have more than one character in the same organization.
* You are not allowed to have more than two characters on the same location.
* You are not allowed to ask friends out-of-character to help you with something in-character, or to quickly log in to help.
* You are not allowed to attack the same character by several of your own characters.
* You are not allowed to spread maps or other in-game information by out-of-character means, like your own website.

Although these rules help as simple guidelines, it should be emphasized that they do not replace the Capital Rule as such. The key is to understand the spirit of the Capital Rule, which is basically about roleplaying. When you play your characters, imagine diving into their skin, and think from their perspective. None of the actions of your characters should be on the basis of your knowledge as a player about other locations, fellow characters, or the history of the game, or on the basis of your communication with fellow players out-of-character. ''Play your character from his or her in-game experiences, with his or her in-game knowledge, and taking his or her in-game personality and interests in mind.'' There should be no difference between the interaction between your character and a perfect stranger and the interaction between your character and another character of yourself or of a friendly player.

=== Four-day Rule ===

Part of the capital rule is that you are not allowed to talk about any in-game developments on the forum or chat channel - or anywhere else, really - within the four days following the development. This is to avoid the spreading of news about upcoming attacks or exciting developments in the game before players have had a chance to experience these events through the eyes of their own characters.

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Herb garden

2006-08-14T14:09:24Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

A '''herb garden''' is used to increase the collection rate of herbs. It may be constructed only on grasslands or plains locations. You can grow herbs even in locations that do not naturally have them.

==Requirements==

'''Resources Required'''
* 3000 grams of [[stone]]
* 900 grams of [[wood]]
* 2000 grams of [[fertilizer]]

'''Labour Required'''
* 5 days

'''Tools Required'''
* [[shovel]],[[hammer]]

'''Build/Repair Skill:''' [[Skills#Manufacturing_machines|Manufacturing Machines]] 

An herb garden can only be built in a locations that are grasslands or plains.

==Projects==

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Herb garden

2006-08-14T14:09:07Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

A '''herb garden''' is used to increase the collection rate of herbs. It may be constructed only on grasslands or plains locations. You can grow herbs even in locations that do not naturally have them.

==Requirements==

'''Resources Required'''
* 3000 grams of [[stone]]
* 900 grams of [[wood]]
* 2000 grams of [[fertiliser]]

'''Labour Required'''
* 5 days

'''Tools Required'''
* [[shovel]],[[hammer]]

'''Build/Repair Skill:''' [[Skills#Manufacturing_machines|Manufacturing Machines]] 

An herb garden can only be built in a locations that are grasslands or plains.

==Projects==

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2006-08-14T14:04:10Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Cantr II is run by a large group of people, who all voluntarily dedicate their time to make this game as interesting and pleasant as possible. Under the policy leadership of the [[Game Administration Council]] and the daily management of the [[Game Administration Board]], different departments concentrate on different aspects of running the game.

The [[Programming Department]] concentrates on the development and maintenance of the source code of Cantr. If you experience any bugs in the software, you should report them to bugs@cantr.net or add them to [http://www.cantr.net/flyspray Flyspray]. They will be handled as soon as possible, but unfortunately this might still mean it will take a while, since this department is generally understaffed.

The [[Resources Department]] is responsible for the whole industrial chain of the game. They design raw materials, machines, animals, etc. If you have any ideas for new materials or machines, make your suggestion heard on the Cantr Suggestions [http://www.cantr.net/forum Forum].

The [[Players Department]] is responsible for helping Cantr players to understand the game and to check whether players are following the few [[Game Rules]] we have in the game. Better to keep the PD as your friends ;) ...

The [[Marketing Department]] is responsible for making Cantr as well-known as possible in the outside world. You are probably reading about the game thanks to their work.

The [[Languages Department]] is responsible for translating the game into a large number of languages, so that non-English speakers can play in their own languages. This is not only nice for them, it also adds an interesting intercultural dimension to the game, as all language groups play in the same virtual world.

The [[New Lands Department]] was responsible for creating new islands and adding animals, roads, and resources to them, however, has been disbanded.

The [[Communications Department]] is responsible for managing and entertaining the community of players of Cantr. They publish the [[Cantr Webzine]] [http://www.cantr.net/e107 Stolen Notes], they moderate the [[Cantr Forum]] [http://www.cantr.net/forum (link)] and the [[Cantr Chat Channel]] [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=irc&l=1 (link to Java applet)]. They also develop new ideas to keep the community informed and entertained, for example the [[Cantr Radio Station]] was run by the Colonel.

See the [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=departments Cantr Departments Overview] on the main site for a more authoritative overview of staff.

Cantr Staff

2006-08-14T14:02:28Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Cantr II is run by a large group of people, who all voluntarily dedicate their time to make this game as interesting and pleasant as possible. Under the policy leadership of the [[Game Administration Council]] and the daily management of the [[Game Administration Board]], different departments concentrate on different aspects of running the game.

The [[Programming Department]] concentrates on the development and maintenance of the source code of Cantr. If you experience any bugs in the software, you should report them to bugs@cantr.net or add them to [http://www.cantr.net/flyspray Flyspray]. They will be handled as soon as possible, but unfortunately this might still mean it will take a while, since this department is generally understaffed.

The [[Resources Department]] is responsible for the whole industrial chain of the game. They design raw materials, machines, animals, etc. If you have any ideas for new materials or machines, make your suggestion heard on the Cantr Suggestions [http://www.cantr.net/forum Forum].

The [[Players Department]] is responsible for helping Cantr players to understand the game and to check whether players are following the few [[Game Rules]] we have in the game. Better to keep the PD as your friends ;) ...

The [[Marketing Department]] is responsible for making Cantr as well-known as possible in the outside world. You are probably reading about the game thanks to their work.

The [[Languages Department]] is responsible for translating the game into a large number of languages, so that non-English speakers can play in their own languages. This is not only nice for them, it also adds an interesting intercultural dimension to the game, as all language groups play in the same virtual world.

The [[New Lands Department]] was responsible for creating new islands and adding animals, roads, and resources to them, however, has been disbanded.

The [[Communications Department]] is responsible for managing and entertaining the community of players of Cantr. They publish the [[Cantr Webzine]] [http://www.cantr.net/e107 Stolen Notes], they moderate the [[Cantr Forum]] [http://www.cantr.net/forum (link)] and [[Cantr Chat Channel]] [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=irc&l=1 (link to Java applet)], and they sometimes come up with new ideas to keep you informed and entertained outside playing Cantr itself, for example the [[Cantr Radio Station]] was run by the Colonel.

See the [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=departments Cantr Departments Overview] on the main site for a more authoritative overview of staff.

Communications Department

2006-08-14T13:58:28Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Responsible for moderation of the forum and IRC chat room and the Cantr Webzine (Stolen Notes)

This department is responsible for assisting in the communications between staff and players, and among players themselves, outside the game. Members of this department will function as moderators on our public forums and chat channel. The department will also handle our suggestions and bugs gatekeeping functions, so make sure that ideas and bugs discussed among players reach staff in a clear, summarized manner. Additional tasks related to community relations and communications are being developed.

Email: communications@cantr.net

{|
| Name || Position || Forum Nickname || IRC Nickname
|-
| [[User:The Surly Cantrian|Andrew Parsonson]] || Chair || The Surly Cantrian || Surly
|-
| [[User:Sarah|Sarah Smith]] || Member (Editorial Board) || Sarah || Sarah
|-
| Jon Dueltgen || Member (Editorial Board) || nitefyre || nite
|-
| Lora Perkins || Member || Sunni Daez || Sunni
|-
| [[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Nick Rush-Cooper]] || Member || formerly known as hf || coopa
|-
| Łukasz Romik || Member || Raist || Raist
|-
| Kamil Rechowicz || Member || Scorup || Scorup
|-
| [[User:Valsum|Aitor de la Morena]] || Member || Valsum || Valsum
|-
| [[User:Hermitess|Kris Scott]] || Member || the_antisocial_hermit || Hermitess
|}

Communications Department

2006-08-14T13:55:55Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Responsible for moderation of the forum and IRC chat room and the Cantr Webzine (Stolen Notes)

This department is responsible for assisting in the communications between staff and players, and among players themselves, outside the game. Members of this department will function as moderators on our public forums and chat channel. The department will also handle our suggestions and bugs gatekeeping functions, so make sure that ideas and bugs discussed among players reach staff in a clear, summarized manner. Additional tasks related to community relations and communications are being developed.
There is also a Cantr Radio station (Colonel's Station) at http://65.220.67.39:8825/listen.pls

Email: communications@cantr.net

{|
| Name || Position || Forum Nickname || IRC Nickname
|-
| [[User:The Surly Cantrian|Andrew Parsonson]] || Chair || The Surly Cantrian || Surly
|-
| [[User:Sarah|Sarah Smith]] || Member (Editorial Board) || Sarah || Sarah
|-
| Jon Dueltgen || Member (Editorial Board) || nitefyre || nite
|-
| Lora Perkins || Member || Sunni Daez || Sunni
|-
| [[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Nick Rush-Cooper]] || Member || formerly known as hf || coopa
|-
| Łukasz Romik || Member || Raist || Raist
|-
| Kamil Rechowicz || Member || Scorup || Scorup
|-
| [[User:Valsum|Aitor de la Morena]] || Member || Valsum || Valsum
|-
| [[User:Hermitess|Kris Scott]] || Member || the_antisocial_hermit || Hermitess
|}

Communications Department

2006-08-14T13:55:21Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Responsible for moderation of the forum and IRC chat room and the Cantr Webzine (Stolen Notes)

This department is responsible for assisting in the communications between staff and players, and among players themselves, outside the game. Members of this department will function as moderators on our public forums and chat channel. The department will also handle our suggestions and bugs gatekeeping functions, so make sure that ideas and bugs discussed among players reach staff in a clear, summarized manner. Additional tasks related to community relations and communications are being developed.
There is also a Cantr Radio station (Colonel's Station) at http://65.220.67.39:8825/listen.pls

Email: communications@cantr.net

{|
| Name || Position || Forum Nickname || IRC Nickname
|-
| [[User:The Surly Cantrian|Andrew Parsonson]] || Chair || The Surly Cantrian || Surly
|-
| [[User:Sarah|Sarah Smith]] || Member (Editorial Board) || Sarah || Sarah
|-
| Jon Dueltgen || Member (Editorial Board) || nitefyre || nite
|-
| Lora Perkins || Member || Sunni Daez || Sunni
|-
| [[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Nick Rush-Cooper]] || Member || hallucinatingfarmer || coopa
|-
| Łukasz Romik || Member || Raist || Raist
|-
| Kamil Rechowicz || Member || Scorup || Scorup
|-
| [[User:Valsum|Aitor de la Morena]] || Member || Valsum || Valsum
|-
| [[User:Hermitess|Kris Scott]] || Member || the_antisocial_hermit || Hermitess
|}

User:Hallucinatingfarmer

2006-08-14T13:54:09Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Communications Department

2006-06-12T10:00:40Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Responsible for moderation of the forum and IRC chat room and the Cantr Webzine (Stolen Notes)

This department is responsible for assisting in the communications between staff and players, and among players themselves, outside the game. Members of this department will function as moderators on our public forums and chat channel. The department will also handle our suggestions and bugs gatekeeping functions, so make sure that ideas and bugs discussed among players reach staff in a clear, summarized manner. Additional tasks related to community relations and communications are being developed.
There is also a Cantr Radio station (Colonel's Station) at http://65.220.67.39:8825/listen.pls

Email: communications@cantr.net

{|
| Name || Position || Forum Nickname || IRC Nickname
|-
| [[User:The Surly Cantrian|Andrew Parsonson]] || Chair || The Surly Cantrian || Surly
|-
| [[User:Sarah|Sarah Smith]] || Member (Editorial Board) || Sarah || Sarah
|-
| [[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Nick Rush-Cooper]] || Member (Editorial Board) || hallucinatingfarmer || coopa
|-
| Jon Dueltgen || Member (Editorial Board) || nitefyre || nite
|-
| Lora Perkins || Member || Sunni Daez || Sunni
|-
| Łukasz Romik || Member || Raist || Raist
|-
| Kamil Rechowicz || Member || Scorup || Scorup
|}

User:Hallucinatingfarmer

2006-06-12T09:59:54Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

I've only been playing since July of 2004, when I would play for a few minutes each day at work. My first character still lives, into their fourties now, and I'd like to keep it that way...

Alongside Sarah Smith and Jon Dueltgen I'm one of the editors for the [[Cantr Webzine]], and the writer of the regular edition of Cantr statistics. I urge you to check out the Webzine, and we're always happy to receive articles from Cantr players, please send them through to [mailto:webzine@cantr.net webzine@cantr.net].

If you're into stalking, I can often be found on the IRC channel (but I can't promise I'll be active) or you can get me on Y!M as hallucinatingfarmer.

Current events

2006-06-08T16:27:19Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: /* Admin */

==What's going on==

===Templates===
I've created a couple of templates for editor use: [[Template:Stub]] and [[Template:Rewrite]]. [[Template:Stub]] is to be used on pages that are missing large amounts of important information - an example is [[Broom]]. [[Template:Rewrite]] is to be used on less severe cases of missing information, or on pages that merely need rewriting - an example is [[Alumina refiner]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 15:21, 24 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*Some changes have been made to the templates. From now on all editor templates will be listed on [[Help:Templates]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

===Weapons category===
I've just filled in the entire weapons category from info found IC. Please feel free to check it out, spell check, format etc. Just make sure it's consistent as all the pages now have consistent IC info.
[[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 04:37, 4 Oct 2005 (EDT)
*We should decide on a template for weapons, among other things. I'm thinking of listing the requirements the same way on pretty much every object type. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 06:33, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
**All for it. Go ahead and format a weapon, and if it's good we'll slap the format onto all the weapons and tools. The requirements section should be the same for both, and other properties (weight, visibility) are similar - just that tools should have a "uses" section where weapons have "effectiveness." [[User:Sho|Sho]] 09:00, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
***Once again we come to the "what's the appropriate format" debate. The weapons category right now just reflects the IC information, and is displayed similarly. The only exception to this is the latter weapons (I started from the end, I have no idea why) where I've been formating for clarity, adding images and OOC info. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 19:34, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I like how there are attack values. It makes it much easier to figure out. If someone wants to know what does the most damage they can just take a look at all the weapons. A list of best to worst isn't useless though. Joshuamonkey

===Machinery===
[[:Category:Machinery]] is finally done. Many pages are lacking information, though. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

=== Admin ===
To be sure: [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is now a full admin on the Wiki, so contact him for any admin interference that is needed. As stated before, most of the moderation of the Wiki will be left to the players at large and will depend on self-organisation, but where admin privileges are needed, or where there are serious conflicts that do not seem to get resolved, [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is in charge. He, in turn, has to follow Communications Department / general game administration policy and should create a thread in the CD forum in case of doubt.
--[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 07:44, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)

There have been several cases of images being uploaded or links made to external images in the Wiki. Users should take care that images so used are either explicitly in the public domain, copy-free or that the copyright holder has given permission for their use. Current usage is non-malicious, non-profit , for illustrative purposes only and credits the source of the image but these in themselves are not necessarily “fair usage”. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 15:01, 25 Nov 2005 (EST)

A good example of how to reference and link to copyrighted material including images is the entry for [[Atlatl]], here text describing the item has a reference and there is a link to an external site for those who wish to view images of an Atlatl. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 06:42, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)

The position of wiki sysop still needs to be filled. The CD got no responses to the request for applicants, there seems to be little interest in the position. If anyone here wants to apply, then please do. How urgent is the position? Have spam problems been sorted, and have admin rights already been passed on?--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 09:24, 20 Apr 2006 (EDT)

*I think it would help if needed skills were listed. Just being capable of editing, or more "behind the scenes" skills as well? And also, which department one would apply to to be the wiki sysop. (Did a quick search for wiki on the application page, found nothing.) With that said, I'd apply if it doesn't require too 1337 programming skills, but I'll be unavailable for three months in the near future. If you still need one in September, though... - [[User:Hellzon|Hellzon]] 10:01, 20 Apr 2006 (EDT)

There is still no active administrator - Kabl00ey and Jos are the only sysops, and neither is active in the wiki. Spam has been taken care of for the time being, but I believe an agreement was reached that a permanent solution (the current spam-blocking system is very much stopgap) would involve the appointment (as soon as possible) of a sysop for moderation purposes.

When was the request for a sysop made? I don't remember seeing one, and neither did anyone I straw-polled in the IRC. If CD wants to try again, I can write a short description of the position, skills needed, etc. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:28, 21 Apr 2006 (EDT)

It was in the same message that requested Polish forum moderators, a public message to all players. I'd appreciate it if you could write something for me, Sho, as I have no idea about it myself (Send it to me via forum PM or at communications@cantr.net). Then I'll make another request, and hopefully get some responses.--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 15:55, 30 Apr 2006 (EDT)

I would appreciate someone sending me a short job description for sysop, and I'll make a public announcement. Preferably, I'd like someone who's already active here to take the position, so, if you're interested, let me, or the Personnel Department, know. --[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 12:27, 8 Jun 2006 (EDT)

== Discussion ==

=== Language setup ===
Do you think maybe the different languages ought to have different wikis, instead of being on the same pages? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 20:30, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*I agree. --[[User:Creepyguyinblack|Creepyguyinblack]] 04:50, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*I changed it. --[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 05:08, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*Would it be possible to make a true multi-language setup, similar to Wikipedia's? I don't know what's involved in making that work (I have a suspicion that it's not feasile here), but it's kind of annoying when half of the time [[Special:Randompage]] brings up a Polish page; also crosslinking articles is rather inelegant with the current system (no framework; also there are some pages like [[Jeep(pl)]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]]
*That would certainly be preferable... and was what I had in mind when originally making this suggestion. I don't like coming across polish articles when clicking on random page, or having search results clogged up with Polish links. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:37, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

=== Agglomeration vs. subdivision ===

Some categories of items, such as [[tools]], have all of their elements listed on the same page. Others, such as [[resources]], have separate pages for everything. My gut instinct (as a Wikipedian) is to split everything into separate pages and use categories to tie them together (it makes it easier for people to just type what they're looking for in the search box), but I can see why we might want to keep things in big metapages - it's similar to the format found in IC guides, often the individual data aren't big enough for individual articles, and it would be loads of unrewarding data-entry grunt work. Anyone have any opinion? [[User:Sho|Sho]]

* The category system ([[tools]]) is so much clearer and easier to access the information you're looking for, so whilst I understand the Wikipedian urge to split everything, I think that the category system still provides easily accessible information. I cry a little on the inside when trying to find stuff on the seperate system ([[resources]]) - segregating the data, whilst easier to categorise and search, adds unnecessary pain in wading through links and editing pages. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 00:07, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
** With proper use of categories, I think splitting makes things easier. In Firefox, I can use quicksearches to instantly pull up a page on anything that has its own page, without clicking on any links. I can't do that with a monolithic megapage. In the same way, it's easier to just punch the thing you're looking for into the search box - one click - with split pages. Categories can bring the pages back together anyway. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:35, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*** I agree with Sho, the category system that was used for the resources worked great. I think a similar system should be used for machines, buildings, vehicles, tools, et al. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:53, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)
****I'm surprised the tool set-up has lasted so long, it was only a copy/paste from an ingame guide I'd made - it looks ugly here. I'd like a segregated set-up there, but not for clothing I don't think, as that'd be no more of a copy of the in-game set-up - I've started discussion on clothing about how I'd like to go about finishing that section.--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 18:13, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*****Yeah, everyone agrees with that HF. It just hasn't been gotten to yet. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 13:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

===Resource Department disclosure===
Long-standing question: Since the repeal of the "find out in game" rule (or FOIG), should the RD be allowed/required to release to the wiki all information that can be discovered in-game?

Since I expect some long-winded responses to this that won't fit in a nested list format (or maybe that's just me), please post responses as subsections. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:49, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

====Yes====

The purpose of FOIG's repeal was to remove the effect of certain characters having advantages over other characters because their players knew more than other players. If we restrict RD's release of information that could be discovered IC, it's possible for that situation to arise again - a character gains an informational advantage because his player tried something, with a different character, that no player has posted on the wiki about. There are two solutions to this problem. One is to require that all players wiki any information they obtain in-game as soon as they get it. This is unenforceable and silly. The other is to have RD wiki all obtainable information to level the playing field in advance.

Another reason is, simply, efficiency. Generally those who oppose full disclosure argue that players should work to find obtainable data on their own. The problem is that obtainable data is often not at all easy to obtain. Some data, such as the amounts of resources certain animals drop when hunted, is precisely obtainable, but only if characters spend significant resources to discover them. Do we really need to have a situation where players have to use their characters and significant amounts of their own time to obtain information that could be retrieved in under a minute by RD staff?

There is also some precedent. Resource gathering rates are arguably something that realistically should not be displayed as explicitly as they are in-game; even more so the 20% deviation in output. Building capacity was freely released by RD (even vehicle capacities, which RD is refusing to release, is being witheld not because they should not be released in general, but because they will soon be outdated), even though it is an excellent example of obtainable data that would take colossal effort to discover in-game (to my knowledge no character or player had anything approaching precise values for building capacities before RD released them on the wiki).

[[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:42, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

*Strictly speaking RD did not release the building capacity infomation. Thses details where released by the Programming Department (ProgD). A bug was discovered which effectively disabled the maximum number of persons . Since correction of this bug generated a number of support queries , ProgD felt that publishing this information would help explain what seemed to be changes in room capacities. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 05:20, 12 Oct 2005 (EDT)

===Disambiguation for tools===
There are many cases where projects require either or two tools, such as projects that require a [[hammer]] or a [[stone hammer]] (but display the requirement as "[[hammer]]"). How will we treat these here? I can think of two options:
#We could replace every instance of "[[hammer]]" in a project requirements list with "[[hammer]] or [[stone hammer]]."
#We could use a special page for those. For example, create the page [[Hammer (requirement)]] to explain how the hammer requirement works. If we go with this, the way in which we name these pages (and what we put on them) is up for discussion.
What ideas do people have? [[User:Sho|Sho]] 23:35, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

For instance, iron or [[bronze anvil]]... they both enable the same sort of projects. Perhaps we should have one consolidated anvil page, with info about both? Same would go for knives and hammers. Thoughts? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 05:20, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)

I've gone ahead and dropped in a system that uses templates. When a project requires either of two tools, like a hammer or stone hammer, you use the template in place of the tool name - in this case, <nowiki>{{hammer}}</nowiki>. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:18, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)

===Machinery format change===
Yesterday I added some coin data to [[Coin press]]. I used a different format for this, using a table. I think this could be extended to the other machinery project listings, making them much more compact. Comments? I can make a sample page if anyone wants to see it. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:26, 6 Dec 2005 (EST)

=== Spam problem ===

Here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features] and here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti_Spam] is some solutions listed. Admin, please make use of these concepts :) - [[User:Wojd|Wojd]]
*Well, who do you mean by "admin"? [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is the official sysop-moderator, but I've e-mailed him to ban the spammer and he hasn't responded. Jos is the only person who can change fundamental wiki setup, but he doesn't like to get involved with the wiki. I'm the most active and knowledgeable wiki editor, but I have no power to actually do anything other than edit pages and e-mail important people - in any case, none of what you've linked us to here is new to me. Oh, and please sign your comments. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 02:03, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
**I think, we should use general solutions - this is better than individual bans. I'm quite new in Cantr and in Wiki and I don't know many things yet but it's obvious that Cantr staff need help - and I'll try to help a bit ;) [[User:Wojd|WojD]] 04:50, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
***My point is that the only people who can implement these general solutions (most of which, incidentally, would not work here - individual bans placed by active sysops really are the best solution) are not active on the wiki. The issue is not that the staff need help but that the staff either don't care or aren't around. I can't do anything, and neither can you, and talking isn't going to change anything. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 17:56, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
****I'm not very new to Cantr or how the wiki works but I don't compare to Sho. Talking about changes isn't a bad thing, they have to start somewhere. Is there anyone active in the wiki who can make changes? Or atleast get Jos' attention. :) Though I guess that would be you Sho. User:Joshuamonkey
*****As I said, Kabl00ey and Jos are the only people with sysop powers, and Jos doesn't want to have anything to do with the wiki. We had a hard enough time getting Jos to make Kabl00ey a sysop. In any case, there are no server-level or sysop-level changes that will do much to stop spam here, short of giving sysop powers to multiple active editors.[[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:16, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
******I've recently spoken to Kabl00ey about his inactivity, which he's explained. He hopes to be active again as soon as he can. Hopefully there's nothing too urgent?--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 14:19, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)

== Tasks ==

=== Admin tasks ===

==== Pages for Deletion ====
Listed on [[:Category:Delete]]

=== User tasks ===

==== "Stamp of Approval" ====
It's not clear how much of the stuff here is data from Programming or Resources Department people (and therefore probably complete and correct) and how much is contributions from players like me (and therefore likely to need verification). For example, I'm not sure how much to trust the data on the ability of certain boat types to dock to each other; I feel that it looks like some types were left out, but I can't be sure. Some way of, say, putting a stamp of approval on information would be excellent. [[User:Sho|Sho]]

* A good idea would be to add notes into the discussion pages stating the information added and from what department. Personally, I've added the information for vehicles and animals, and so should be 99.9% accurate. --[[User:Anthony|Anthony Roberts]] 22:59, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)
** The information I added to a bunch of tools and weapons is 100% accurate. :D All from IC. [[User:Joshuamonkey|Joshuamonkey]] 00:00, 12 Feb 2006 (EST)

====Pages needing breakdown====
*[[Tools]] must be broken up into separate [[:Category:Tools]] articles.

Current events

2006-04-30T19:55:52Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: /* Admin */

==What's going on==

===Templates===
I've created a couple of templates for editor use: [[Template:Stub]] and [[Template:Rewrite]]. [[Template:Stub]] is to be used on pages that are missing large amounts of important information - an example is [[Broom]]. [[Template:Rewrite]] is to be used on less severe cases of missing information, or on pages that merely need rewriting - an example is [[Alumina refiner]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 15:21, 24 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*Some changes have been made to the templates. From now on all editor templates will be listed on [[Help:Templates]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

===Weapons category===
I've just filled in the entire weapons category from info found IC. Please feel free to check it out, spell check, format etc. Just make sure it's consistent as all the pages now have consistent IC info.
[[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 04:37, 4 Oct 2005 (EDT)
*We should decide on a template for weapons, among other things. I'm thinking of listing the requirements the same way on pretty much every object type. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 06:33, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
**All for it. Go ahead and format a weapon, and if it's good we'll slap the format onto all the weapons and tools. The requirements section should be the same for both, and other properties (weight, visibility) are similar - just that tools should have a "uses" section where weapons have "effectiveness." [[User:Sho|Sho]] 09:00, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
***Once again we come to the "what's the appropriate format" debate. The weapons category right now just reflects the IC information, and is displayed similarly. The only exception to this is the latter weapons (I started from the end, I have no idea why) where I've been formating for clarity, adding images and OOC info. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 19:34, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I like how there are attack values. It makes it much easier to figure out. If someone wants to know what does the most damage they can just take a look at all the weapons. A list of best to worst isn't useless though. Joshuamonkey

===Machinery===
[[:Category:Machinery]] is finally done. Many pages are lacking information, though. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

=== Admin ===
To be sure: [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is now a full admin on the Wiki, so contact him for any admin interference that is needed. As stated before, most of the moderation of the Wiki will be left to the players at large and will depend on self-organisation, but where admin privileges are needed, or where there are serious conflicts that do not seem to get resolved, [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is in charge. He, in turn, has to follow Communications Department / general game administration policy and should create a thread in the CD forum in case of doubt.
--[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 07:44, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)

There have been several cases of images being uploaded or links made to external images in the Wiki. Users should take care that images so used are either explicitly in the public domain, copy-free or that the copyright holder has given permission for their use. Current usage is non-malicious, non-profit , for illustrative purposes only and credits the source of the image but these in themselves are not necessarily “fair usage”. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 15:01, 25 Nov 2005 (EST)

A good example of how to reference and link to copyrighted material including images is the entry for [[Atlatl]], here text describing the item has a reference and there is a link to an external site for those who wish to view images of an Atlatl. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 06:42, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)

The position of wiki sysop still needs to be filled. The CD got no responses to the request for applicants, there seems to be little interest in the position. If anyone here wants to apply, then please do. How urgent is the position? Have spam problems been sorted, and have admin rights already been passed on?--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 09:24, 20 Apr 2006 (EDT)

*I think it would help if needed skills were listed. Just being capable of editing, or more "behind the scenes" skills as well? And also, which department one would apply to to be the wiki sysop. (Did a quick search for wiki on the application page, found nothing.) With that said, I'd apply if it doesn't require too 1337 programming skills, but I'll be unavailable for three months in the near future. If you still need one in September, though... - [[User:Hellzon|Hellzon]] 10:01, 20 Apr 2006 (EDT)

There is still no active administrator - Kabl00ey and Jos are the only sysops, and neither is active in the wiki. Spam has been taken care of for the time being, but I believe an agreement was reached that a permanent solution (the current spam-blocking system is very much stopgap) would involve the appointment (as soon as possible) of a sysop for moderation purposes.

When was the request for a sysop made? I don't remember seeing one, and neither did anyone I straw-polled in the IRC. If CD wants to try again, I can write a short description of the position, skills needed, etc. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:28, 21 Apr 2006 (EDT)

It was in the same message that requested Polish forum moderators, a public message to all players. I'd appreciate it if you could write something for me, Sho, as I have no idea about it myself (Send it to me via forum PM or at communications@cantr.net). Then I'll make another request, and hopefully get some responses.--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 15:55, 30 Apr 2006 (EDT)

== Discussion ==

=== Language setup ===
Do you think maybe the different languages ought to have different wikis, instead of being on the same pages? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 20:30, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*I agree. --[[User:Creepyguyinblack|Creepyguyinblack]] 04:50, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*I changed it. --[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 05:08, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*Would it be possible to make a true multi-language setup, similar to Wikipedia's? I don't know what's involved in making that work (I have a suspicion that it's not feasile here), but it's kind of annoying when half of the time [[Special:Randompage]] brings up a Polish page; also crosslinking articles is rather inelegant with the current system (no framework; also there are some pages like [[Jeep(pl)]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]]
*That would certainly be preferable... and was what I had in mind when originally making this suggestion. I don't like coming across polish articles when clicking on random page, or having search results clogged up with Polish links. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:37, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

=== Agglomeration vs. subdivision ===

Some categories of items, such as [[tools]], have all of their elements listed on the same page. Others, such as [[resources]], have separate pages for everything. My gut instinct (as a Wikipedian) is to split everything into separate pages and use categories to tie them together (it makes it easier for people to just type what they're looking for in the search box), but I can see why we might want to keep things in big metapages - it's similar to the format found in IC guides, often the individual data aren't big enough for individual articles, and it would be loads of unrewarding data-entry grunt work. Anyone have any opinion? [[User:Sho|Sho]]

* The category system ([[tools]]) is so much clearer and easier to access the information you're looking for, so whilst I understand the Wikipedian urge to split everything, I think that the category system still provides easily accessible information. I cry a little on the inside when trying to find stuff on the seperate system ([[resources]]) - segregating the data, whilst easier to categorise and search, adds unnecessary pain in wading through links and editing pages. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 00:07, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
** With proper use of categories, I think splitting makes things easier. In Firefox, I can use quicksearches to instantly pull up a page on anything that has its own page, without clicking on any links. I can't do that with a monolithic megapage. In the same way, it's easier to just punch the thing you're looking for into the search box - one click - with split pages. Categories can bring the pages back together anyway. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:35, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*** I agree with Sho, the category system that was used for the resources worked great. I think a similar system should be used for machines, buildings, vehicles, tools, et al. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:53, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)
****I'm surprised the tool set-up has lasted so long, it was only a copy/paste from an ingame guide I'd made - it looks ugly here. I'd like a segregated set-up there, but not for clothing I don't think, as that'd be no more of a copy of the in-game set-up - I've started discussion on clothing about how I'd like to go about finishing that section.--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 18:13, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*****Yeah, everyone agrees with that HF. It just hasn't been gotten to yet. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 13:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

===Resource Department disclosure===
Long-standing question: Since the repeal of the "find out in game" rule (or FOIG), should the RD be allowed/required to release to the wiki all information that can be discovered in-game?

Since I expect some long-winded responses to this that won't fit in a nested list format (or maybe that's just me), please post responses as subsections. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:49, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

====Yes====

The purpose of FOIG's repeal was to remove the effect of certain characters having advantages over other characters because their players knew more than other players. If we restrict RD's release of information that could be discovered IC, it's possible for that situation to arise again - a character gains an informational advantage because his player tried something, with a different character, that no player has posted on the wiki about. There are two solutions to this problem. One is to require that all players wiki any information they obtain in-game as soon as they get it. This is unenforceable and silly. The other is to have RD wiki all obtainable information to level the playing field in advance.

Another reason is, simply, efficiency. Generally those who oppose full disclosure argue that players should work to find obtainable data on their own. The problem is that obtainable data is often not at all easy to obtain. Some data, such as the amounts of resources certain animals drop when hunted, is precisely obtainable, but only if characters spend significant resources to discover them. Do we really need to have a situation where players have to use their characters and significant amounts of their own time to obtain information that could be retrieved in under a minute by RD staff?

There is also some precedent. Resource gathering rates are arguably something that realistically should not be displayed as explicitly as they are in-game; even more so the 20% deviation in output. Building capacity was freely released by RD (even vehicle capacities, which RD is refusing to release, is being witheld not because they should not be released in general, but because they will soon be outdated), even though it is an excellent example of obtainable data that would take colossal effort to discover in-game (to my knowledge no character or player had anything approaching precise values for building capacities before RD released them on the wiki).

[[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:42, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

*Strictly speaking RD did not release the building capacity infomation. Thses details where released by the Programming Department (ProgD). A bug was discovered which effectively disabled the maximum number of persons . Since correction of this bug generated a number of support queries , ProgD felt that publishing this information would help explain what seemed to be changes in room capacities. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 05:20, 12 Oct 2005 (EDT)

===Disambiguation for tools===
There are many cases where projects require either or two tools, such as projects that require a [[hammer]] or a [[stone hammer]] (but display the requirement as "[[hammer]]"). How will we treat these here? I can think of two options:
#We could replace every instance of "[[hammer]]" in a project requirements list with "[[hammer]] or [[stone hammer]]."
#We could use a special page for those. For example, create the page [[Hammer (requirement)]] to explain how the hammer requirement works. If we go with this, the way in which we name these pages (and what we put on them) is up for discussion.
What ideas do people have? [[User:Sho|Sho]] 23:35, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

For instance, iron or [[bronze anvil]]... they both enable the same sort of projects. Perhaps we should have one consolidated anvil page, with info about both? Same would go for knives and hammers. Thoughts? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 05:20, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)

I've gone ahead and dropped in a system that uses templates. When a project requires either of two tools, like a hammer or stone hammer, you use the template in place of the tool name - in this case, <nowiki>{{hammer}}</nowiki>. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:18, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)

===Machinery format change===
Yesterday I added some coin data to [[Coin press]]. I used a different format for this, using a table. I think this could be extended to the other machinery project listings, making them much more compact. Comments? I can make a sample page if anyone wants to see it. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:26, 6 Dec 2005 (EST)

=== Spam problem ===

Here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features] and here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti_Spam] is some solutions listed. Admin, please make use of these concepts :) - [[User:Wojd|Wojd]]
*Well, who do you mean by "admin"? [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is the official sysop-moderator, but I've e-mailed him to ban the spammer and he hasn't responded. Jos is the only person who can change fundamental wiki setup, but he doesn't like to get involved with the wiki. I'm the most active and knowledgeable wiki editor, but I have no power to actually do anything other than edit pages and e-mail important people - in any case, none of what you've linked us to here is new to me. Oh, and please sign your comments. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 02:03, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
**I think, we should use general solutions - this is better than individual bans. I'm quite new in Cantr and in Wiki and I don't know many things yet but it's obvious that Cantr staff need help - and I'll try to help a bit ;) [[User:Wojd|WojD]] 04:50, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
***My point is that the only people who can implement these general solutions (most of which, incidentally, would not work here - individual bans placed by active sysops really are the best solution) are not active on the wiki. The issue is not that the staff need help but that the staff either don't care or aren't around. I can't do anything, and neither can you, and talking isn't going to change anything. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 17:56, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
****I'm not very new to Cantr or how the wiki works but I don't compare to Sho. Talking about changes isn't a bad thing, they have to start somewhere. Is there anyone active in the wiki who can make changes? Or atleast get Jos' attention. :) Though I guess that would be you Sho. User:Joshuamonkey
*****As I said, Kabl00ey and Jos are the only people with sysop powers, and Jos doesn't want to have anything to do with the wiki. We had a hard enough time getting Jos to make Kabl00ey a sysop. In any case, there are no server-level or sysop-level changes that will do much to stop spam here, short of giving sysop powers to multiple active editors.[[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:16, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
******I've recently spoken to Kabl00ey about his inactivity, which he's explained. He hopes to be active again as soon as he can. Hopefully there's nothing too urgent?--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 14:19, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)

== Tasks ==

=== Admin tasks ===

==== Pages for Deletion ====
Listed on [[:Category:Delete]]

=== User tasks ===

==== "Stamp of Approval" ====
It's not clear how much of the stuff here is data from Programming or Resources Department people (and therefore probably complete and correct) and how much is contributions from players like me (and therefore likely to need verification). For example, I'm not sure how much to trust the data on the ability of certain boat types to dock to each other; I feel that it looks like some types were left out, but I can't be sure. Some way of, say, putting a stamp of approval on information would be excellent. [[User:Sho|Sho]]

* A good idea would be to add notes into the discussion pages stating the information added and from what department. Personally, I've added the information for vehicles and animals, and so should be 99.9% accurate. --[[User:Anthony|Anthony Roberts]] 22:59, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)
** The information I added to a bunch of tools and weapons is 100% accurate. :D All from IC. [[User:Joshuamonkey|Joshuamonkey]] 00:00, 12 Feb 2006 (EST)

====Pages needing breakdown====
*[[Tools]] must be broken up into separate [[:Category:Tools]] articles.

Cantr Staff

2006-04-20T13:42:58Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Cantr II is run by a large group of people, who all voluntarily dedicate their time to make this game as interesting and pleasant as possible. Under the policy leadership of the [[Game Administration Council]] and the daily management of the [[Game Administration Board]], different departments concentrate on different aspects of running the game.

The [[Programming Department]] concentrates on the development and maintenance of the source code of Cantr. If you experience any bugs in the software, you should report them to bugs@cantr.net or add them to [http://www.cantr.net/flyspray Flyspray]. They will be handled as soon as possible, but unfortunately this might still mean it will take a while, since this department is generally understaffed.

The [[Resources Department]] is responsible for the whole industrial chain of the game. They design raw materials, machines, animals, etc. If you have any ideas for new materials or machines, make your suggestion heard on the Cantr Suggestions [http://www.cantr.net/forum Forum].

The [[Players Department]] is responsible for helping Cantr players to understand the game and to check whether players are following the few [[Game Rules]] we have in the game. Better to keep the PD as your friends ;) ...

The [[Marketing Department]] is responsible for making Cantr as well-known as possible in the outside world. You are probably reading about the game thanks to their work.

The [[Languages Department]] is responsible for translating the game into a large number of languages, so that non-English speakers can play in their own languages. This is not only nice for them, it also adds an interesting intercultural dimension to the game, as all language groups play in the same virtual world.

The [[New Lands Department]] was responsible for creating new islands and adding animals, roads, and resources to them, however, has been disbanded.

The [[Communications Department]] is responsible for managing and entertaining the community of players of Cantr. They publish the [[Cantr Webzine]] [http://www.cantr.net/e107 Stolen Notes], they moderate the [[Cantr Forum]] [http://www.cantr.net/forum link] and [[Cantr Chat Channel]] [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=irc&l=1 (link to Java applet)], and they sometimes come up with new ideas to keep you informed and entertained outside playing Cantr itself, for example the [[Cantr Radio Station]] was run by the Colonel.

See the [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=departments Cantr Departments Overview] on the main site for a more authoritative overview of staff.

Cantr Radio Station

2006-04-20T13:40:07Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

The Cantr radio station has ceased to exist.

Darren (Colonel) ([http://www.djcolonel.com/] [http://www.freewebs.com/colonelsoanes/playing.html]) now holds a DJ spot on [http://www.clubfxradio.com/ Clubfx Radio]

Cantr Webzine

2006-04-20T13:38:39Z

Hallucinatingfarmer:

Cantr II has a quarterly webzine with background articles on the game, puzzles, trips and tricks, interviews, and more! Check it out! ([http://www.cantr.net/e107 Stolen Notes])

We're always happy to receive articles of any kind. Please send any submissions, ideas or questions to [mailto:webzine@cantr.net webzine@cantr.net]

This webzine editors are by [[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Nick Rush-Cooper]], [[User:Sarah|Sarah Smith]] and Jon Dueltgen of the [[Communications Department]].

Cantr II Wiki:Community Portal

2006-04-20T13:35:11Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: /* Cantr-related links */ radio and 'zine details changed

==Editor references==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:How_to_edit_a_page Wikipedia editing help]
*[[Help:Editing]]
*[[Help:Templates]]
*[[:Category:Delete]]
*[[:Category:Incomplete]]
*[[:Category:Rewrite]]
*[[Cantr II Wiki:Sandbox]]

==Required reading for management==
These articles, from the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page Wikimedia meta-wiki], are required for an understanding of the various flashy tricks the wiki is based on. Visiting editors, who are just here to add a comment or bit of data, don't need this. But if you want to make a new page or suggest any sort of change in the organization of the wiki, this is necessary knowledge.

*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template Templates]
*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Category Categories]
*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table Tables]
*Everything else in the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Editor editor reference]

==Cantr-related links==

*[http://www.cantr.net Cantr II] - the game we all know and love
*[http://www.cantr.net/forum Cantr II Forums] - where we discuss suggestions, events, and other things that pertain to Cantr.
*[[Cantr Webzine]] - [http://www.cantr.net/e107/news.php Stolen Notes] - a quarterly webzine, maintained by our [[Communications_Department|Communications Department]]
*[[Cantr Radio Station]] - The Cantr radio station has shut down. Darren (Colonel) ([http://www.djcolonel.com/] [http://www.freewebs.com/colonelsoanes/playing.html]) now holds a DJ spot on [http://www.clubfxradio.com/ Clubfx Radio]
*[[Cantr Chat Channel]] - [http://www.cantr.net/index.php?page=irc&l=1 Cantr II IRC Room] - THE place to chat about Cantr.

==Vote for Cantr==

Cantr needs you to vote in order to ensure that more players come to our game. It just takes a small amount of time, and it really benefits the future of Cantr.

*[http://games.plit.dk/cgi-bin/games.pl?_cmd=ShowGame&GameId=95 Ultimate Game Directory]
*[http://www.rpggateway.com/cgi-bin/wyrm/search.cgi?query=cantr RPG Gateway]
*[http://www.free-games.com.au/Detailed/929.html Free-games Australia]
*[http://www.sweetonlinegames.com/?a=vote&gid=50 Sweet Online Games]
*[http://www.toprpgames.com/vote.php?idno=409 Top RP Games]
*[http://www.directoryofgames.com/main.php?view=topgames&action=vote&v_tgame=136 Directory of Games]
*[http://omgn.com/topgames/vote.php?Game_ID=731 Online Multiplayers Game Network]
*[http://www.mudmagic.com/rate.php?id=1416 Mud Magic]
*[http://www.gamesites200.com/gaming/vote.php?id=3969 Gaming Top 200]

==Top 10 contributors:==

(pages edited, as of 2005-11-01)

{|
| [[User:Sho|Sho]] || 1565
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| [[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] || 323
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| [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] || 223
|-
| [[User:Anthony|Anthony]] || 183
|-
| [[User:Diabelek|Diabelek]] || 168
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| [[User:KeVes|KeVes]] || 124
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| [[User:Skittled|Skittled]] || 110
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| [[User:LuKo|LuKo]] || 92
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| [[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] || 82
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| [[User:Sarah|Sarah]] || 70
|}

Current events

2006-04-20T13:24:40Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: /* Admin */

==What's going on==

===Templates===
I've created a couple of templates for editor use: [[Template:Stub]] and [[Template:Rewrite]]. [[Template:Stub]] is to be used on pages that are missing large amounts of important information - an example is [[Broom]]. [[Template:Rewrite]] is to be used on less severe cases of missing information, or on pages that merely need rewriting - an example is [[Alumina refiner]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 15:21, 24 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*Some changes have been made to the templates. From now on all editor templates will be listed on [[Help:Templates]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

===Weapons category===
I've just filled in the entire weapons category from info found IC. Please feel free to check it out, spell check, format etc. Just make sure it's consistent as all the pages now have consistent IC info.
[[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 04:37, 4 Oct 2005 (EDT)
*We should decide on a template for weapons, among other things. I'm thinking of listing the requirements the same way on pretty much every object type. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 06:33, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
**All for it. Go ahead and format a weapon, and if it's good we'll slap the format onto all the weapons and tools. The requirements section should be the same for both, and other properties (weight, visibility) are similar - just that tools should have a "uses" section where weapons have "effectiveness." [[User:Sho|Sho]] 09:00, 15 Oct 2005 (EDT)
***Once again we come to the "what's the appropriate format" debate. The weapons category right now just reflects the IC information, and is displayed similarly. The only exception to this is the latter weapons (I started from the end, I have no idea why) where I've been formating for clarity, adding images and OOC info. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 19:34, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)
I like how there are attack values. It makes it much easier to figure out. If someone wants to know what does the most damage they can just take a look at all the weapons. A list of best to worst isn't useless though. Joshuamonkey

===Machinery===
[[:Category:Machinery]] is finally done. Many pages are lacking information, though. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 14:42, 13 Oct 2005 (EDT)

=== Admin ===
To be sure: [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is now a full admin on the Wiki, so contact him for any admin interference that is needed. As stated before, most of the moderation of the Wiki will be left to the players at large and will depend on self-organisation, but where admin privileges are needed, or where there are serious conflicts that do not seem to get resolved, [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is in charge. He, in turn, has to follow Communications Department / general game administration policy and should create a thread in the CD forum in case of doubt.
--[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 07:44, 16 Oct 2005 (EDT)

There have been several cases of images being uploaded or links made to external images in the Wiki. Users should take care that images so used are either explicitly in the public domain, copy-free or that the copyright holder has given permission for their use. Current usage is non-malicious, non-profit , for illustrative purposes only and credits the source of the image but these in themselves are not necessarily “fair usage”. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 15:01, 25 Nov 2005 (EST)

A good example of how to reference and link to copyrighted material including images is the entry for [[Atlatl]], here text describing the item has a reference and there is a link to an external site for those who wish to view images of an Atlatl. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 06:42, 26 Nov 2005 (EST)

The position of wiki sysop still needs to be filled. The CD got no responses to the request for applicants, there seems to be little interest in the position. If anyone here wants to apply, then please do. How urgent is the position? Have spam problems been sorted, and have admin rights already been passed on?--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 09:24, 20 Apr 2006 (EDT)

== Discussion ==

=== Language setup ===
Do you think maybe the different languages ought to have different wikis, instead of being on the same pages? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 20:30, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*I agree. --[[User:Creepyguyinblack|Creepyguyinblack]] 04:50, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*I changed it. --[[User:Jos Elkink|Jos Elkink]] 05:08, 13 Jul 2005 (EDT)
*Would it be possible to make a true multi-language setup, similar to Wikipedia's? I don't know what's involved in making that work (I have a suspicion that it's not feasile here), but it's kind of annoying when half of the time [[Special:Randompage]] brings up a Polish page; also crosslinking articles is rather inelegant with the current system (no framework; also there are some pages like [[Jeep(pl)]]. [[User:Sho|Sho]]
*That would certainly be preferable... and was what I had in mind when originally making this suggestion. I don't like coming across polish articles when clicking on random page, or having search results clogged up with Polish links. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:37, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)

=== Agglomeration vs. subdivision ===

Some categories of items, such as [[tools]], have all of their elements listed on the same page. Others, such as [[resources]], have separate pages for everything. My gut instinct (as a Wikipedian) is to split everything into separate pages and use categories to tie them together (it makes it easier for people to just type what they're looking for in the search box), but I can see why we might want to keep things in big metapages - it's similar to the format found in IC guides, often the individual data aren't big enough for individual articles, and it would be loads of unrewarding data-entry grunt work. Anyone have any opinion? [[User:Sho|Sho]]

* The category system ([[tools]]) is so much clearer and easier to access the information you're looking for, so whilst I understand the Wikipedian urge to split everything, I think that the category system still provides easily accessible information. I cry a little on the inside when trying to find stuff on the seperate system ([[resources]]) - segregating the data, whilst easier to categorise and search, adds unnecessary pain in wading through links and editing pages. [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] 00:07, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
** With proper use of categories, I think splitting makes things easier. In Firefox, I can use quicksearches to instantly pull up a page on anything that has its own page, without clicking on any links. I can't do that with a monolithic megapage. In the same way, it's easier to just punch the thing you're looking for into the search box - one click - with split pages. Categories can bring the pages back together anyway. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:35, 17 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*** I agree with Sho, the category system that was used for the resources worked great. I think a similar system should be used for machines, buildings, vehicles, tools, et al. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 08:53, 18 Sep 2005 (EDT)
****I'm surprised the tool set-up has lasted so long, it was only a copy/paste from an ingame guide I'd made - it looks ugly here. I'd like a segregated set-up there, but not for clothing I don't think, as that'd be no more of a copy of the in-game set-up - I've started discussion on clothing about how I'd like to go about finishing that section.--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 18:13, 22 Sep 2005 (EDT)
*****Yeah, everyone agrees with that HF. It just hasn't been gotten to yet. --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 13:49, 27 Sep 2005 (EDT)

===Resource Department disclosure===
Long-standing question: Since the repeal of the "find out in game" rule (or FOIG), should the RD be allowed/required to release to the wiki all information that can be discovered in-game?

Since I expect some long-winded responses to this that won't fit in a nested list format (or maybe that's just me), please post responses as subsections. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:49, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

====Yes====

The purpose of FOIG's repeal was to remove the effect of certain characters having advantages over other characters because their players knew more than other players. If we restrict RD's release of information that could be discovered IC, it's possible for that situation to arise again - a character gains an informational advantage because his player tried something, with a different character, that no player has posted on the wiki about. There are two solutions to this problem. One is to require that all players wiki any information they obtain in-game as soon as they get it. This is unenforceable and silly. The other is to have RD wiki all obtainable information to level the playing field in advance.

Another reason is, simply, efficiency. Generally those who oppose full disclosure argue that players should work to find obtainable data on their own. The problem is that obtainable data is often not at all easy to obtain. Some data, such as the amounts of resources certain animals drop when hunted, is precisely obtainable, but only if characters spend significant resources to discover them. Do we really need to have a situation where players have to use their characters and significant amounts of their own time to obtain information that could be retrieved in under a minute by RD staff?

There is also some precedent. Resource gathering rates are arguably something that realistically should not be displayed as explicitly as they are in-game; even more so the 20% deviation in output. Building capacity was freely released by RD (even vehicle capacities, which RD is refusing to release, is being witheld not because they should not be released in general, but because they will soon be outdated), even though it is an excellent example of obtainable data that would take colossal effort to discover in-game (to my knowledge no character or player had anything approaching precise values for building capacities before RD released them on the wiki).

[[User:Sho|Sho]] 22:42, 11 Oct 2005 (EDT)

*Strictly speaking RD did not release the building capacity infomation. Thses details where released by the Programming Department (ProgD). A bug was discovered which effectively disabled the maximum number of persons . Since correction of this bug generated a number of support queries , ProgD felt that publishing this information would help explain what seemed to be changes in room capacities. --[[User:Chris Johnson|Chris Johnson]] 05:20, 12 Oct 2005 (EDT)

===Disambiguation for tools===
There are many cases where projects require either or two tools, such as projects that require a [[hammer]] or a [[stone hammer]] (but display the requirement as "[[hammer]]"). How will we treat these here? I can think of two options:
#We could replace every instance of "[[hammer]]" in a project requirements list with "[[hammer]] or [[stone hammer]]."
#We could use a special page for those. For example, create the page [[Hammer (requirement)]] to explain how the hammer requirement works. If we go with this, the way in which we name these pages (and what we put on them) is up for discussion.
What ideas do people have? [[User:Sho|Sho]] 23:35, 14 Oct 2005 (EDT)

For instance, iron or [[bronze anvil]]... they both enable the same sort of projects. Perhaps we should have one consolidated anvil page, with info about both? Same would go for knives and hammers. Thoughts? --[[User:Nick Roberts|Nick Roberts]] 05:20, 24 Oct 2005 (EDT)

I've gone ahead and dropped in a system that uses templates. When a project requires either of two tools, like a hammer or stone hammer, you use the template in place of the tool name - in this case, <nowiki>{{hammer}}</nowiki>. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:18, 25 Dec 2005 (EST)

===Machinery format change===
Yesterday I added some coin data to [[Coin press]]. I used a different format for this, using a table. I think this could be extended to the other machinery project listings, making them much more compact. Comments? I can make a sample page if anyone wants to see it. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 18:26, 6 Dec 2005 (EST)

=== Spam problem ===

Here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Anti-spam_Features] and here - [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Anti_Spam] is some solutions listed. Admin, please make use of these concepts :) - [[User:Wojd|Wojd]]
*Well, who do you mean by "admin"? [[User:Kabl00ey|Kabl00ey]] is the official sysop-moderator, but I've e-mailed him to ban the spammer and he hasn't responded. Jos is the only person who can change fundamental wiki setup, but he doesn't like to get involved with the wiki. I'm the most active and knowledgeable wiki editor, but I have no power to actually do anything other than edit pages and e-mail important people - in any case, none of what you've linked us to here is new to me. Oh, and please sign your comments. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 02:03, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
**I think, we should use general solutions - this is better than individual bans. I'm quite new in Cantr and in Wiki and I don't know many things yet but it's obvious that Cantr staff need help - and I'll try to help a bit ;) [[User:Wojd|WojD]] 04:50, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
***My point is that the only people who can implement these general solutions (most of which, incidentally, would not work here - individual bans placed by active sysops really are the best solution) are not active on the wiki. The issue is not that the staff need help but that the staff either don't care or aren't around. I can't do anything, and neither can you, and talking isn't going to change anything. [[User:Sho|Sho]] 17:56, 18 Dec 2005 (EST)
****I'm not very new to Cantr or how the wiki works but I don't compare to Sho. Talking about changes isn't a bad thing, they have to start somewhere. Is there anyone active in the wiki who can make changes? Or atleast get Jos' attention. :) Though I guess that would be you Sho. User:Joshuamonkey
*****As I said, Kabl00ey and Jos are the only people with sysop powers, and Jos doesn't want to have anything to do with the wiki. We had a hard enough time getting Jos to make Kabl00ey a sysop. In any case, there are no server-level or sysop-level changes that will do much to stop spam here, short of giving sysop powers to multiple active editors.[[User:Sho|Sho]] 00:16, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)
******I've recently spoken to Kabl00ey about his inactivity, which he's explained. He hopes to be active again as soon as he can. Hopefully there's nothing too urgent?--[[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Hallucinatingfarmer]] 14:19, 10 Feb 2006 (EST)

== Tasks ==

=== Admin tasks ===

==== Pages for Deletion ====
Listed on [[:Category:Delete]]

=== User tasks ===

==== "Stamp of Approval" ====
It's not clear how much of the stuff here is data from Programming or Resources Department people (and therefore probably complete and correct) and how much is contributions from players like me (and therefore likely to need verification). For example, I'm not sure how much to trust the data on the ability of certain boat types to dock to each other; I feel that it looks like some types were left out, but I can't be sure. Some way of, say, putting a stamp of approval on information would be excellent. [[User:Sho|Sho]]

* A good idea would be to add notes into the discussion pages stating the information added and from what department. Personally, I've added the information for vehicles and animals, and so should be 99.9% accurate. --[[User:Anthony|Anthony Roberts]] 22:59, 16 Aug 2005 (EDT)
** The information I added to a bunch of tools and weapons is 100% accurate. :D All from IC. [[User:Joshuamonkey|Joshuamonkey]] 00:00, 12 Feb 2006 (EST)

====Pages needing breakdown====
*[[Tools]] must be broken up into separate [[:Category:Tools]] articles.

Communications Department

2006-04-20T13:19:50Z

Hallucinatingfarmer: (overdue) update on members

Responsible for moderation of the forum and IRC chat room and the Cantr Webzine (Stolen Notes)

This department is responsible for assisting in the communications between staff and players, and among players themselves, outside the game. Members of this department will function as moderators on our public forums and chat channel. The department will also handle our suggestions and bugs gatekeeping functions, so make sure that ideas and bugs discussed among players reach staff in a clear, summarized manner. Additional tasks related to community relations and communications are being developed.
There is also a Cantr Radio station (Colonel's Station) at http://65.220.67.39:8825/listen.pls

Email: communications@cantr.net

{|
| Name || Position || Forum Nickname || IRC Nickname
|-
| [[User:Hallucinatingfarmer|Nick Rush-Cooper]] || Chair (Editorial Board) || hallucinatingfarmer || coopa
|-
| [[User:The Surly Cantrian|Andrew Parsonson]] || Vice Chair || The Surly Cantrian || Surly
|-
| [[User:Sarah|Sarah Smith]] || Member (Editorial Board) || Sarah || Sarah
|-
| Jon Dueltgen || Member (Editorial Board) || nitefyre || nite
|-
| Lora Perkins || Member || Sunni Daez || Sunni
|-
| Łukasz Romik || Member || Raist || Raist
|-
| Kamil Rechowicz || Member || Scorup || Scorup
|}